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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #30 on: March 21, 2006, 11:37:56 AM »
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I'm not questioning your decision to get some, if I were in your boat, I'd be VERY happy, even if I'd have to repower them, but from a business standpoint, these make NO sense.

I have not decided to get any - are you crazy? ??? I'll have to see before buying. ;)

So, are you saying Atlas was right not to make them? If the Bmann H16-44s are of the same quality as the SD45, then I'd say what a bunch of doofusses (which based on their track records is the probable outcome), but IF they are decent ...

I could understand if you were trying to argue this point with the Bmann B23-7/30-7.
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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #31 on: March 21, 2006, 11:52:02 AM »
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Some info for those that think Bachmann is making the same loco as Atlas:

http://forum.atlasrr.com/forum/topic.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=11922&whichpage=2


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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #32 on: March 21, 2006, 12:09:54 PM »
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Noooo I'm not saying you're crazy for being interested in them (if they turn out well), but I'm saying that I can't see the money in making them with the current position Bachmann is choosing for them.

I'm just expecting to see them stacked up at ALL of the junk dealers booths at every train show from here to eternity for full list price, just like the HO versions are now.

If they couldn't move them in HO, what on EARTH made them think they'll sell a bunch of them in N?

And so, given that, it makes me wonder why they didn't choose something with a broader appeal. Shoot, I wouldn't mind a third horse in the GP38-2 race...

Or maybe they'd want to retool their SD40-2s, those are still out in force. Or, well, what other engines are really plentiful, and people would stand the best chance of seeing on a frequent basis trackside? If people tend to  want to "model what they see" when they get into the hobby, then what makes Bachmann think a rather obscure roadswitcher from the 1950s (that didn't last 50+ years like the GP7s&9s did) will sell big with the trainset crowd (where I'm betting they expect to sell most of these)?

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #33 on: March 21, 2006, 12:57:27 PM »
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Ed,

I don't know. Bachmann has always had a "different" business model than I'd use, but somehow they've managed to stay in business in excess of your lifetime. I don't know how they did it, but they did.

Call it factor X, what it is I don't know. Every Bachmann N scale diesel has been junk up to this point (except for the amazingly overpriced C40-8 and C40-8W, which are good, at least good for the $30 that I paid).

I keep hoping the next one will be better. :-\


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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #34 on: March 21, 2006, 01:10:23 PM »
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Noooo I'm not saying you're crazy for being interested in them (if they turn out well), but I'm saying that I can't see the money in making them with the current position Bachmann is choosing for them.

I'm just expecting to see them stacked up at ALL of the junk dealers booths at every train show from here to eternity for full list price, just like the HO versions are now.

If they couldn't move them in HO, what on EARTH made them think they'll sell a bunch of them in N?

And so, given that, it makes me wonder why they didn't choose something with a broader appeal. Shoot, I wouldn't mind a third horse in the GP38-2 race...

Or maybe they'd want to retool their SD40-2s, those are still out in force. Or, well, what other engines are really plentiful, and people would stand the best chance of seeing on a frequent basis trackside? If people tend to  want to "model what they see" when they get into the hobby, then what makes Bachmann think a rather obscure roadswitcher from the 1950s (that didn't last 50+ years like the GP7s&9s did) will sell big with the trainset crowd (where I'm betting they expect to sell most of these)?
Untill recently FM switcher were still in revenue service locally.  I rode in one.
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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #35 on: March 21, 2006, 01:24:55 PM »
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How many were in service? How many people knew about it?

Just because you know about it doesn't mean that there's enough general recognition of the engine to make it commercially viable.

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #36 on: March 21, 2006, 01:35:49 PM »
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Just to clarify I do realize they are different models as different as lets say a GP30 Phase I and II. Now the GP30 Phase 1 had by the website I saw almost a 1000 units built yet this model is currently not produced just the Phase 2's. FM units are pretty rare and I delight that they are getting attention but a unit that had less than 300 built among all phases seems not to be a good pick when there is several wide gaps out there with units that number in the 1000's, not that I would want Bachman to do them but as Ed stated why this model? Someone mentioned GP7-9's those units among all there phases numbered in the 1000's and were among the first road units class ones ordered. Spotting wise they are close but if your modelling the 1950's its near impossible to have a major roadname without them or F units. FM units even in their hay day were always a distant third or worse place behind EMD and Alco.

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #37 on: March 21, 2006, 01:48:14 PM »
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The differences are vastly more different than the diff between a GP30 ph1 and a GP30 ph2.

Atlas "late" H16-44 (ph2)

http://www.atlasrr.com

True "late" H16-44 (ie Ph3)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org


BTW, I could use a GP30 ph 1 ...

How come nobody is upset that Bachmann is doing the B23-7/B30-7 in N scale - head to head with an existing Atlas product?

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2006, 02:24:38 PM »
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The differences are vastly more different than the diff between a GP30 ph1 and a GP30 ph2.

Atlas "late" H16-44 (ph2)

http://www.atlasrr.com

True "late" H16-44 (ie Ph3)

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org


BTW, I could use a GP30 ph 1 ...

How come nobody is upset that Bachmann is doing the B23-7/B30-7 in N scale - head to head with an existing Atlas product?


I agree on the first point, on the second I really don't care that much.  The only reason why I have the Atlas B23 is because I got it for $20.

Just to clarify I do realize they are different models as different as lets say a GP30 Phase I and II. Now the GP30 Phase 1 had by the website I saw almost a 1000 units built yet this model is currently not produced just the Phase 2's. FM units are pretty rare and I delight that they are getting attention but a unit that had less than 300 built among all phases seems not to be a good pick when there is several wide gaps out there with units that number in the 1000's, not that I would want Bachman to do them but as Ed stated why this model? Someone mentioned GP7-9's those units among all there phases numbered in the 1000's and were among the first road units class ones ordered. Spotting wise they are close but if your modelling the 1950's its near impossible to have a major roadname without them or F units. FM units even in their hay day were always a distant third or worse place behind EMD and Alco.
The original NS didn't buy EMDs until '63, years after they started buying Baldwins (http://www.norfolksouthernhs.org/history.html).
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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2006, 02:54:40 PM »
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If this is part of the "standard" line, look for truck mounted Rapido couplers, fat handrails, bulky details, and thick paint.  It's probably designed to use the same crappy drive as the U-36/GP 40 crappers.

I wouldn't get one if I needed one.  Fortunately I don't.

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2006, 02:58:36 PM »
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If this is part of the "standard" line, look for truck mounted Rapido couplers, fat handrails, bulky details, and thick paint.  It's probably designed to use the same crappy drive as the U-36/GP 40 crappers.

Why would anyone tool up a new model like that?


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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2006, 03:03:05 PM »
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Well I don't want keep this going nor do I want to argue over anything Bachman. I have sworn off Bachman and so far I haven't regretted it. The B23's I never bothered me because they are way outside my era so call that a lack of attention on my part. Just knowing that the units trucks,motor etc will be junk except for the shell which will probably revival that of a resin kit I salute you guys who are willing to pay $36 for that. I might if it was a RS32 I have to admit otherwise it would real hard for me to justify anything over the $15 or so Atlas charges for theirs. I realize its a one of a kind item and I hope that you can find a suitable drive for it like the fine running Atlas frame/motor. I wonder if the light package will work on the Bachman shell?

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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #42 on: March 21, 2006, 03:18:39 PM »
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How many were in service? How many people knew about it?

Just because you know about it doesn't mean that there's enough general recognition of the engine to make it commercially viable.
I know of two at least, possibly three.

Some have said that B&MH didn't get them until recently, but there is a picture hanging in the Beaufort depot of one sitting at the end of the remains of one of the trestles after Hazle came through.
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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #43 on: March 21, 2006, 03:36:30 PM »
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Just knowing that the units trucks,motor etc will be junk except for the shell which will probably revival that of a resin kit I salute you guys who are willing to pay $36 for that.

Well if they're gonna be junk then none of us will care anyway, eh? Gee, why are they making this junk (H16-44) when they could be making that junk (insert your desired loco)? If it's all junk then we'll be unhappy no matter what model they make.

Of course this is a very real possibility with Bachmann. ;)

Personally my greatest need is the U28B and U30B.


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Re: Bachmann taking reservations on N scale H16-44.
« Reply #44 on: March 21, 2006, 03:51:05 PM »
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