New 14K Printer from Anycubic

[Ed Kapuscinski]

You have to realize that when the companies talk to folks about what they want from a printer. They are talking to people printing large dragons holding a sword.

With large breasts.

[peteski]

With large breasts.

Large-breasted dragons?  Or large-breasted swords?  Or large-breasted dragons holding large-breasted swords? Interesting . . .

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Large-breasted dragons?  Or large-breasted swords?  Or large-breasted dragons holding large-breasted swords? Interesting . . .

Yes.

[dem34]

Large-breasted dragons?  Or large-breasted swords?  Or large-breasted dragons holding large-breasted swords? Interesting . . .

Ah, now your thinking like a DnD regular with too much access to a 3D Printer.

[draskouasshat]

Drasko, Okay...when I print on my 8K Anycubic Photon M3 Premium 10" printer with a layer height of 0.020mm, it prints a lot slower than if I increase the layer thickness to 0.050mm.  You'll note that with all of these new "high speed" 12k and 14k 3D printers, their highest claimed print speed is printing at 0.10mm, which in N-scale would yield an unusable part.

Tell me again why a much thicker print layer doesn't have anything to do with print speed?...because it certainly does on my printer...it prints faster, a LOT faster with a thicker print layer.

Sure, faster lift speed will also decrease print time, but printing at 0.10mm, which is five times fewer layers for a given print height than a layer height of 0.020mm, certainly DOES have a big impact on the print speed.

So, tell my how I'm incorrect again???

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore

youre incorrect in the fact that they can print faster without sacrificing detail because youre stuck on their .1mm layer height thing. they all advertise print speeds with a .1mm layer height because us printing at .02mm probably makes up a very small part of their market. i can print faster with my 6k by modifying the lift speeds to match my 6ks factory settings. imagine that, anycubic advertised faster print speeds with the 6ks BECAUSE of changing the lift speeds. make sense?

[Chris333]

I always thought my Mars 4 Ultra was fast. So I checked the settings:


Does any of this seem off?

[robert3985]

youre incorrect in the fact that they can print faster without sacrificing detail because youre stuck on their .1mm layer height thing. they all advertise print speeds with a .1mm layer height because us printing at .02mm probably makes up a very small part of their market. i can print faster with my 6k by modifying the lift speeds to match my 6ks factory settings. imagine that, anycubic advertised faster print speeds with the 6ks BECAUSE of changing the lift speeds. make sense?

I never claimed "...they can print faster without sacrificing detail..."  Just the opposite in fact.

I'm not "stuck" on anything.  I've seen results of prints done with a 0.10mm layer height and the results are crap for details.  Not only do I think so, the reviewers also think so, since it's pretty obvious that the details are gone...at that layer height.

Reviewers who print miniatures (and there are a lot of them) regularly print at 0.020mm if the machines they're reviewing will do it...and if they're interested in a thorough review.

I'm sure that increasing lift speed will cut the print time too, but totally discounting a thick layer height as a major contributor to printing speed is ignoring why the manufacturers (all of them) print at that layer height when bragging about their machine's print speed...it makes for faster prints...period.

It also makes for crappy details...period...no matter what is being printed.

From my own experience, I've never printed anything at a layer height of over 0.050 mm, and when I decrease my layer height, my prints take longer.  I minimize the thickness of my supports because I'm much more interested in print success than print speed since with the small size of my parts, I can get over 1,000 parts off of one 35 minute session in some instances.  However, since my support attachment points are as small as I feel I can go, I don't rev up my lift speed just to print faster, since basically print speed is the last thing I'm concerned about.

Lots of things contribute to a faster print speed...and layer height is certainly one of them.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore

[Erock482]

I always thought my Mars 4 Ultra was fast. So I checked the settings:


Does any of this seem off?

Chris, your setting look fine. I run 45mm/min then 180mm/min for the two stage lift speed on mine. with 3mm and 5mm heights respectively. My goal with the slower speeds is to try to reduce the amount of movement and settling the resin needs to do prior to each layer cure to avoid ripples in the sides of prints.

Using Phrozen 8K resin at .025 layer heights and 2s exposure time.