SP 2-8-0 differences #2

[carlso]

In order to not hi-jack ATSF_Ron's thread I start a new one.

Back in February 2003 I purchased a KEY, made by SAMHONGSA, SP 2-8-0 that was sold as a C-9 loco. Here are 2 images of the C-9 as listed by KEY. Do not go by the road # 3420 as that is on a famous El Paso loco that is actually a C-19. I just had to have her on my layout as I once operated that steamer back in the 1950's.





Based on the comments posted by Mike Madonna in Ron's thread this would be a C-10 ? ? ?

BTW, this beauty is analog DC and runs extremely quiet and smooth, I have debated adding a small LokPilot but have thought about selling her so I have not pursued that option.

[ATSF_Ron]

Carl, that's another fine looking connie!  I'm certainly no SP steam expert, but as near as I can tell (comparing yours to the pics of my C-10 and Mike's comments), I would agree this appears to be a C-10.  Did yours come with a blowdown or did you add one?  Assuming what I'm looking at is a blowdown.  Mine does not appear to have one.

[carlso]

Ron,

Other than the road # change, I have not done anything to this loco. Yes, I think it has blowdowns.
The KEY box states C-9 ? ? ?  I suppose importers (KEY) can be wrong.

Carl

[ATSF_Ron]

Carl, I'm going to revise what I said and say your loco is a C-9.  My photos below and my photos on my other thread are what I'm using for evidence, along with what Mike posted on my thread.  Again, I'm no SP steam expert, but here's what I notice:

My pics of #2819 look identical to your loco.  At least to me.  According to my Key box, it is labeled a C-9.  It has the blowdown and a switcher pilot.  The pics of #2842, labeled a C-10, show no blowdown and a different smokebox front, as well as a different pilot.













Interestingly, my Oriental C-9 has a raised walkway on the fireman's side of the loco over the third driver, a slight difference from the Key C-9.  I assume this was prototypical as many of the C class 2-8-0s had individual differences over the years.

I need to play around with my 2819 some more.  It has a shorting issue which was driving me nuts earlier this year.  After pulling apart my Roundhouse 2-6-0 recently and sorting out its shorting issues I feel more confident pulling this one open again and getting to the bottom of the issue.

[Mike Madonna]

Ron,
IIRC, Key did both a C-9 (2819) and a C-10 (2842). I double checked on Mark (Spookshow's) site and confirmed it. Why the -10 does NOT have blow downs makes no sense to me. That said, looks like Key did do different pilots, which I find very interesting. Other than that, they look virtually identical. As for the  "shorting" issue, you have the -10 that runs fine, correct? I'd visually look over the -9 and compare it with the -10. Drivers should be insulated on "Fireman's" side. As for disassembly, it's pretty straight forward; two very small screws near the bottom of the back of the cab. One screw under the front pilot (which you may have to remove) between the cylinders. The shell should pull up from the rear (cab), then slide towards the rear to clear the gear tower. Keep us posted....

Carl,
IF you decide to "part with" your C-10, please keep me in mind