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craigolio1

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Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« on: January 27, 2023, 05:35:37 PM »
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I’m not sure if it’s actually called a steel viaduct…. But that’s what the Micro Engineering box says so I went with it.

This bridge is a representation of the steel bridge crossing of the Esquimalt and Nanaimo’s Arbutus Canyon on Vancouver Island.













The model is based on Micro Engineering and Atlas parts. It’s slightly smaller than the prototype but as close as I could get without scratch building the whole thing.

I started by drawing a template of the bridge using ME and Atlas girders to figure out just how long it would be, and I built the module around that template, including building a wood standin to use during construction.



Next using the template I laid out and build the plate girder sections, ensuring along the way that they matched the radius and fit of the wood stand in.





Once I had the shape of it configured I glued the towers on.



For track I had originally planned to use ME bridge flex track, but there where a couple of things that made me decide not to. For one I widened the bridge a touch to accommodate the curve, so once the flex was bent to fit the curve not all of the ties reached the sides completely and being flex track they weren’t perpendicular to the girders either. Finally thr ties have a square profile and my prototype are 9” wide and 16” tall. So I thought briefly about hand laying the track. Buuuut decided it would be a colossal PITA. While rummaging in my supplies one day I found a stock pile of Central Valley bridge parts that I had procured for another project and wouldn’t you know it, they were the perfect width and profile, and by cutting through one side of the guard rails I was able to “curve” them to match the bridge.





Once fit, the ties were glued on upside down and weighted to keep them flat. I also pre cut single ties to fill in the gaps and sanded off the cast spikes on the curves section since the rails won’t be centred there. 





The next step was to attach the rails. I thought hard about this as I’ve never built a curved bridge before. I wanted to use epoxy to glue the rails on. The rails don’t follow a centre line or simetrical pattern since I built this bridge by eye.

When you look at the prototype you can see that the rails move from one side of the straight girder sections to the other as the curve across the bridge.





The method I thought of was to make a whole pile of styrene track gauges to hold the gauge in the curve while I moved the rails around so I could get the exact position I wanted. I made them by taking a small piece of C55 track and roughing up the rails with a file and a razor saw, essentially turning it into an N gauge file. I rubbed squares of .050 styrene on the rails until they bumped on the spike heads and voila….. many many track gauges.





I pre-bent the rails a bit and lay them on the bridge deck. Then a napped on a pile of the plastic gauges and made final adjustments to the rail positions with tooth picks stuck between the ties. I held this all in place with thin strips of medical tape.



Next I shot a lite coat of primer in the bridge deck so that when I removed the rails I could see exactly where to put epoxy.



Next I put tiny strips of epoxy on these spots, lifted the rails into position and re attached all the track gauges. (I also roughed you the bottoms of the rails with a file).

The epoxy I used is JB Weld. I chose it because it’s dark grey, holds like crazy and as it turns out has a really long working time.



I held the whole thing down with tape again and that where it’s at now.









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Scottl

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2023, 09:52:20 PM »
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That is a great looking bridge!

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2023, 10:53:41 PM »
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That is a great looking bridge!

Thank you! 

I was able to remove all of the tape and gauges. An ME code 55 track gauge slides nicely along the whole length so the idea worked and I can move onto painting!


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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #3 on: January 27, 2023, 11:49:24 PM »
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Very nice work.

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2023, 08:40:37 PM »
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It is a great looking bridge! Nice job, building layout bridges is so much work, ask me how I know...😜
Otto



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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2023, 09:02:10 AM »
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Wow. Impressive work.

I really like your home made track gauges. That's slick.

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2023, 10:06:18 AM »
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Quite convenient that the bridge happens to be 1 Krylon can tall.
Peter Pfotenhauer

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2023, 10:57:11 AM »
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Thank everyone!

Man what a cluster F-$&!  The universe has struck me down to keep my bridge building ego in check.

Yesterday I shot a coat (airbrushed) of krylon oxide red primer. Then got to work weathering the ties. Then added a ton of kosher salt and shot black. It was really coming along and turning into something!!!











Then I noticed something very odd. One of the rails popped off and bowed out in one spot!



I dried the salt with a heater near by so I thought my it’s the heat…. out into the cold it went. But no change. Then I noticed that the bridge wasn’t straight anymore. It had warped and is shaped like a banana / hockey stick! To the tune of about 1/4” of deviation along its length.



I can push down and flatten it, so with a strategic application of boiled water and weight….. 10 hours of weight. I was able to temporarily correct it but unfortunately after all that time when I removed the weight it’s right back to being warped.



After much back and forth with @CNR5529 we have decided that the paints could have caused crazing. The bridge sides are fairly thin and the Krylon paints are solvent (we’ll definitely not water) based.

With out throwing it in the garbage (too much $$$ and time into it to do THAT!) it’s my belief that my only course of action is to break it down into its individual spans again, true it up, and reassemble. I put each span across the corner of the table so I could see the deviation on the individual pieces, and there is very little / no deviation on the individual pieces….. or at least not so much that I can’t deal with it.

So that’s where I’m at. WTH????? 

Ugh. 2 steps forward. One step back.

Craig






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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2023, 11:05:49 AM »
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It is a great looking bridge! Nice job, building layout bridges is so much work, ask me how I know...😜
Otto

Indeed, when your handle includes a treacherous mountain pass…..

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2023, 11:09:05 AM »
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Wow. Impressive work.

I really like your home made track gauges. That's slick.

Thank you! Someone MUST have thought of it before but I’ll admit that I feel pretty darn keen coming up with it.

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2023, 11:47:23 PM »
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Indeed, when your handle includes a treacherous mountain pass…..

Lol, Cajon may be treacherous because of the grades, but it's not much when it comes to bridges...they're all mostly low, boring, ballasted decks. Nothing too exciting....one of the limitations of modeling a real place like Cajon, because I do love big bridges!
But, I did have "fun" :P installing a couple of BIG bridges on my friend's HO layout: this one is about 10'6" long and it came in seven pieces. Laser was my friend, and much cussing was heard...
Good luck with that bridge...some steps forward, no steps back! It will be gorgeous when you're all done with it and it's setting and the pain will have been worth it! I think :D
Otto
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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2023, 10:41:37 PM »
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Well since the hot water didn’t work, I broke the bridge down into all its individual pieces. As it turns out just the ME sections warped. Actually just a pair of them. So I rebuilt those two:



And primed them first with Trueline Trains grey which is an acrylic.



After this I painted them with the same Rustoleum primer, salt, and black. However for the primer I first did a very light coat, and then a second instead of one heavier coat.



After several days there was no change to the shape of the girders.



So I was good to go for reassembly.









And that’s where I am now. So far it’s staying straight. Next step will be to reattach the ties and rails.

Craig


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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2023, 10:14:02 AM »
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Nice save!  Rework sucks, but you look well on your way to a great scene.

  Frank

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2023, 10:35:13 PM »
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Nice save!  Rework sucks, but you look well on your way to a great scene.

  Frank

Thank you.

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Re: Building an E&N curved steel viaduct
« Reply #14 on: February 17, 2023, 07:09:44 PM »
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Apologies for having to ask about something that I’m sure most others know, but what’s the poop on the kosher salt?