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Jim Starbuck

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N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« on: January 30, 2022, 04:34:29 PM »
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Here is what the stock chassis looks like before milling. Note the two post where the stock decoder screws down onto. There are recesses on top of the chassis on either side and I milled the top down even with the depth of these recesses.
Each end is slightly different with the front getting.056” milled off and the rear getting. 031” off.
In an engine this small it’s a legitimate concern removing weight from the chassis but in reality it is a very small amount. I weighed the chassis before and after milling and a total of .56 grams of metal was removed to make room for the electronics. However when you add back the decoder and other components it more than makes up for the material removed.

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The rear cut remains square up to the motor. The front where the decoder resides needs to be filed at an angle to make room for the wires and allows the decoder to mount slightly lower. The angle cut is just to the top of the motor.

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The frame was drilled and tapped for 00-90 screws. The track pickup wires get pinned under the screws.


The decoder used is a 58923 Loksound v5 Nano DCC. I cut the shrink wrap off to gain access to the wires on the adapter board. I unplugged the adapter then unsoldered and removed the green and violet function wires as the white and yellow were the only ones needed. I soldered one of the green wires to the GND pad to connect the power keeper to later.
Carefully routing the wires allowed them to lay flat in a single layer.

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The decoder was taped wires down which keeps things neat.

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It uses an 8x12 Soberton speaker. Digikey pn 433-1130-ND. Mfg # Sp-1208. The speaker enclosure was built from strips of .015 styrene 3mm tall with just the four walls and no floor. I covered the back frame cut with 1/2” kapton tape then sealed the open bottom of the open enclosure with Gallery Glass. This gave just a little more interior volume of the enclosure by not having the thickness of a styrene floor. The speaker was then sealed down to the top of the enclosure walls.  Anopy cement or Micro Krystal Klee would work as well for sealant.

The green wire from the GND pad and the blue wire were soldered to the + and - pads on the Run-N -Smooth power keeper. There was enough slack left in the wires to tuck the power keeper up into the cab as the chassis is inserted into the shell.
0603 LEDs with magnet wire were taped to the top of the decoder and speaker aimed at the lenses in the shell. 3k 1/8 w SMD resistors were soldered in-line with the white and yellow function wires connected to the - cathode magnet wire with the anode + magnet wires connecting to the blue wire at the power keeper.

The install can be done without the power keeper but I highly recommend using it because it helps quite a bit with the running characteristics.

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2022, 06:25:53 PM »
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Love this!  Thank you Jim! 
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2022, 09:14:34 PM »
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NICE! 8)
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2022, 11:03:09 PM »
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Great install! I was recently pondering such an install with using the nano as well.

I don't know why, but I just can't figure out picture number 2. I must be getting senile or something, but how the heck are those the same frame halves as shown in later photos?

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2022, 11:21:00 PM »
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I don't know why, but I just can't figure out picture number 2. I must be getting senile or something, but how the heck are those the same frame halves as shown in later photos?

It's the top few mm of the frame sticking above the vise clamp in Jim's milling setup.  The motor section is in the center with the front and rear truck areas where the parts of the frame that were above the large, flat indentations are in the process of being milled off.
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2022, 02:01:26 AM »
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Great install! I was recently pondering such an install with using the nano as well.

I don't know why, but I just can't figure out picture number 2. I must be getting senile or something, but how the heck are those the same frame halves as shown in later photos?

John is correct.
With the way the fuel tank juts out, I used two small wood spacer blocks to clamp the frame halves in the vise for milling. The steel part you see is the top of the vise jaws. If I would have zoomed back a bit in the photo it would make more sense.
I use a bench drill press with a vice clamped to an x-y table as my mill.
I always get focused on the build and forget to take photos as I’m working instead of thinking about it as a how to. To be honest, much of the time I’m not exactly sure where I’m headed in a project until I get into it.
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2022, 02:51:29 AM »
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Ok, thanks for the clarification! The offset indents were really throwing me off, as they are there in the top photo and not in the others. That's a fair amount of milling if the indents are now gone!

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2022, 06:02:15 AM »
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It does take off a bit of chassis material. There are two posts where the original decoder screwed down, that’s what the holes are in the photos after milling.
As far as weight reduction from milling (again, I wasn’t thinking far enough ahead to weigh it before and after) I can’t tell any appreciable loss in pulling capacity. It still takes a dozen hoppers around my Unitrack test loop just fine.
My finished model weighs 36 grams. if someone has a stock model to weigh we can compare to see how much chassis material came out. I think weight wise it’s surprisingly little.
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2022, 06:51:14 AM »
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I got 35.2 grams for a stock one. My one that is full of tungsten is 65.1 grams.

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2022, 07:31:53 AM »
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Thanks Chris,

Electrical pickup is still excellent and it crawls through Unitrack turnouts without so much as a flicker.
We’ll see how it does on Atlas c55 in a few weeks at the Madison show.
The dim lights are bugging me enough that I’m going to open it up when I get time and change the resistors so I’ll try to remember to get an under the hood photo.

One thing I haven’t mentioned about the Iowa Scale Engineering Run-N-Smooth with a simple 2 wire connection carries 940 uF capacitance yet the Lokprogrammer still sees through it so no other bits are needed and nothing has to be disconnected to adjust programming.
I haven’t tried the 44 tonner but the same module in the American crane keeps the lights lit for over a second if you lift it off the rails. I’m sure it’s just a brief moment for the motor but it’s enough to smooth it out so along with ESUs already fine motor control it makes for a very nice running combination. Especially for these smaller locomotives.

Edit: note to self…don’t do math in your head at 4am.
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2022, 08:37:11 AM »
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My stock 44 tonner weighs 35.3 grams.

Just about the same as Chris' but Jim's beautiful modded sound loco comes in at 36 grams.  This is heavier than stock.  Way to go.

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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2022, 08:42:31 AM »
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My stock 44 tonner weighs 35.3 grams.

Just about the same as Chris' but Jim's beautiful modded sound loco comes in at 36 grams.  This is heavier than stock.  Way to go.

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2022, 10:02:38 AM »
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That’s quite surprising that the sound equipped came in slightly heavier.
Aside from the electronics and speaker the additions to stock are the two 00-90 brass screws, brass cab shades, plastic trainline hoses and MT905 Z scale couplers.
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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2022, 10:10:14 AM »
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Very impressive work, Jim!

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Re: N Scale Bachmann 44 tonner with Loksound Nano
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2022, 11:44:34 AM »
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That’s quite surprising that the sound equipped came in slightly heavier.
Aside from the electronics and speaker the additions to stock are the two 00-90 brass screws, brass cab shades, plastic trainline hoses and MT905 Z scale couplers.

I agree that something doesn't seem to add up.  I wouldn't think that any of the added components woudl weight more per volume than the solid metal they replaced.

John, you did a really nice job with this tiny loco!
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