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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2020, 03:52:24 PM »
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2020, 04:02:29 PM »
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(💩ty cell phone) pic of the end showing the 2004 in the modified 1015 box



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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2020, 04:18:07 PM »
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delamaize:  I don't know how he did it, but I've lowered mine very simply.  It takes almost as long to read as it does to do.

Cut the ends off the underframe, at the first crossbearer inside the body bolster.  That's needed for wheel clearance.

Build a new body bolster.  It needs to be 0.090" high, so I usually use 0.060 and 0.030 styrene strip, 1/8 (0.125) inch wide.  Drill a 5/64 inch hole in the center.  If reusing the MT couplers, mark the position for the bolster hole before removing the underframe, then center the new bolster over that hole.  If using trucks with centered bolster holes, the hole should probably be moved.

Mount the coupler directly to the floor.  Either 1025 or 1015 will work. 

Cut the stirrup steps apart, removing the center section to clear the couplers.  Glue them to the floor, then add styrene blocks to the end sills, to "clamp" the steps in place.  They don't glue well by themselves.

You might be able to lower the car using ESM or BLMA trucks, but even then, I suspect that flange clearance will be an issue.

The same method works on the 50 ft flatcars.  I've been doing this since  the 70s, when I used 3/32 inch basswood for the bolsters.  I still have one flatcar with those old bolsters.

I initially tried to lower by leaving the underframe alone and using BLMA trucks, but it still sat too high.   Once it was clear that the BLMA trucks couldn't do anything that a scratch built bolster couldn't do with trucks with a higher bolster arms, I saved the BLMA trucks for one of many other cars that could be lowered by just swapping the trucks (e.g. Athearn PS 2600 + MTL 903/905)

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2020, 06:27:49 PM »
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Still plodding ahead, but made a lot of progress.

The brass Belpaire firebox replaced the styrene effort, I'm a lot happier with this one.

Domes on, RLW castings.    Tender sills on, with GHQ tender steps.   Turret is brass tube, whistle is made but not installed, and I realized I had some GHQ pops....to be added.   Lots of detail to go.

Printed pilot is on, as well as the resin smokebox front that I figured out how to make press-in.  Engineering the headlight will be this week now, which is a lot more interesting because the locomotive is electrically dead - everything is in the tender.

The cast stack had to be shortened a foot, and the taper, fillet and mounting flange are today's effort, it's just perched on there for a test.  The vertical brake cylinders under the cab were robbed from an Atlas 2-6-0 left over from one of my other builds.

I noticed the cab looks a little tilted, I didn't put the mounting screws in and should have, but anyway, it's still moving forward.   And it seriously runs well, I'm so happy with it.  The projects I've started and just abandoned because of performance issues have their own drawer.

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2020, 11:12:33 PM »
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Hello Tim, may I ask who makes the "various 3D parts"?  Thank you in advance, Franz

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2020, 12:13:56 AM »
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Still plodding ahead, but made a lot of progress. 
And it seriously runs well, I'm so happy with it.  The projects I've started and just abandoned because of performance issues have their own drawer.



Another one coming together! 8) 

If you have any of those dismissed projects that you had special interest in where the accuracy of machined bits might solve the problems you were having, give a shout.  Maybe we could pull one out of the hat. ;) 
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #21 on: December 21, 2020, 01:34:14 AM »
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CJM413:  "Once it was clear that the BLMA trucks couldn't do anything that a scratch built bolster couldn't do with trucks with higher bolster arms"  sums up my opinion as well.  By making new bolsters, the original trucks can be used, and I can reuse the couplers.  Years ago I ordered 500 pair of 1025 boxes and covers.  To body-mount the couplers on a MT car, I take the couplers off the trucks, take the box apart, throw the box away, and put the coupler in the 1025 box.

It's possible to lower the car, and keep the pizza-cutter wheels, if one still uses them.  I don't, but there are some who do.

I know, most people today seem to prefer the 1015s, but I've been using 1025s since the early 70s, and like the thinner box.  They're about the thickness of the center sill, so blend in better.
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #22 on: December 21, 2020, 08:53:34 AM »
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The #1023 coupler would be perfect if MTL redesigned it so the centering spring was in front of the pivot post rather than behind. People prefer the #1015 because the equipped cars don’t oscillate when being pulled. The thinness of the box can be achieved by using #1015 knuckles in a #2004 box — but then, as with the #1023, you would have to heat-seal the lid with a soldering iron. The #1015 and #2004 also fit better on equipment with bolsters closer to the car ends, such as Red Caboose X29 boxcars.
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #23 on: December 21, 2020, 10:01:10 AM »
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I was playing around with the cheap video cube camera again this weekend.  This is an (obviously) unedited video of a northbound trip over part of my N scale Housatonic Railroad.  The camera was on a lightweight flatcar, so there is some jerking as the metal low profile wheels go over the frogs on my code 55 track.  None of the buildings are planted yet with detailed scenery, but I am happy with the progress for now.  I'll take any suggestions for decent video editing software, as this is my first foray into that area. 


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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #24 on: December 21, 2020, 10:29:16 AM »
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Looking at the PDF for Micro Trains couplers, I am not seeing the dimension from the pulling face to the car body end (nor the other dimensions needed to compute it) for the 1015 and 1016 couplers.  I am assuming that they are different, because the text says 1015s are short shank for large radius curves and 1016s are "regular shank" for short radius curves.  But both have the same dimensions shown in their drawings.

And, I am also considering the 905s, if anybody has the pulling face to car body dimension for that one.

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #25 on: December 21, 2020, 12:18:56 PM »
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CJM413:  "Once it was clear that the BLMA trucks couldn't do anything that a scratch built bolster couldn't do with trucks with higher bolster arms"  sums up my opinion as well.  By making new bolsters, the original trucks can be used, and I can reuse the couplers.  Years ago I ordered 500 pair of 1025 boxes and covers.  To body-mount the couplers on a MT car, I take the couplers off the trucks, take the box apart, throw the box away, and put the coupler in the 1025 box.

It's possible to lower the car, and keep the pizza-cutter wheels, if one still uses them.  I don't, but there are some who do.

I know, most people today seem to prefer the 1015s, but I've been using 1025s since the early 70s, and like the thinner box.  They're about the thickness of the center sill, so blend in better.

For the MTL gondola, the thickness of the 1015 box is mitigated by mounting it directly to the underside of the plastic gondola floor.   Trimming the front of the 1015 lid negates the need to carve a notch in the end, and the lid still snaps into place afterwards.

The 1015 coupler boxes are also compatible with the 2004 coupler shanks that I used

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #26 on: December 21, 2020, 12:40:11 PM »
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Looking at the PDF for Micro Trains couplers, I am not seeing the dimension from the pulling face to the car body end (nor the other dimensions needed to compute it) for the 1015 and 1016 couplers.  I am assuming that they are different, because the text says 1015s are short shank for large radius curves and 1016s are "regular shank" for short radius curves.  But both have the same dimensions shown in their drawings.

And, I am also considering the 905s, if anybody has the pulling face to car body dimension for that one.

1015 and 1016 differ by the distance between the centering post/mounting hole and pulling face.   The distance between  the pulling face and car body ends will always vary based on the type of car (and corresponding car ends) and the location of the mounting hole.

For example, the coupling faces of the 1016's I used on the Red Caboose Evans coil car don't extend much further from the car ends than some of the 1015 or 1025 couplers used on others due to the fact that I mounted them to the underside of the car body rather than the walkways [ Guests cannot view attachments ]
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2020, 01:18:59 PM »
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1015 and 1016 differ by the distance between the centering post/mounting hole and pulling face.   The distance between  the pulling face and car body ends will always vary based on the type of car (and corresponding car ends) and the location of the mounting hole.

For example, the coupling faces of the 1016's I used on the Red Caboose Evans coil car don't extend much further from the car ends than some of the 1015 or 1025 couplers used on others due to the fact that I mounted them to the underside of the car body rather than the walkways (Attachment Link)

Then I guess I should have asked for the distance from the pulling face and the centerpost mount.  That is what is shown on other drawings, but not on the 1015 and 1016 drawings.  With that measurement, I can compute what I want to know.  Another way to state it would be that I want the distance from the pulling face to the coupler box.  The PDF drawings even show a different amount of space for those two drawings, but the numbers with the (one ended) arrows pointing to the coupler knuckles are the same for both, (and the same number as the coupler halves dividing line), so I don't think that is the number I am looking for.  If I was sure these drawings were fully to-scale, I could just measure the drawings.  But, my experience is that draftsmen take liberties.

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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2020, 02:03:37 PM »
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The #1023 coupler would be perfect if MTL redesigned it so the centering spring was in front of the pivot post rather than behind. People prefer the #1015 because the equipped cars don’t oscillate when being pulled.

Honestly Bryan, in my experience the cars will slink, regardless of the location of that spring.  You have observed otherwise?
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Re: Weekend Update 12/20/20
« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2020, 02:11:23 PM »
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Honestly Bryan, in my experience the cars will slink, regardless of the location of that spring.  You have observed otherwise?

I've been observing when I get the "slinky" or "pogo" effect with MT couplers. This is what I have seen so far: If the spring is in front of the pivot, no slinky. If it is behind the pivot, then I get slinky. For springs behind the pivot, if I replace the spring with the knuckle spring from an HO #5 Kadee, no slinky and the coupler still works properly. YMMV