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Hedron

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I'm considering a scratch build of this Union station that was shared by B&O and Erie where they crossed paths in a little Ohio town, photo dated 1908.  I "corrected" the perspective on these photos to get a better idea of the true dimensions. Going by windows, doorways and station construction customs of the time, what would you say the basic dimensions of this station are? And, to add a little more challenge, how would I figure the hip roof angles?



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What town? Yeah it looks close to the one I made.

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You can start reading about my travels here:
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=32219.msg365947#msg365947

And this is what I ended up building:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/x4rhuqxLHXQvgtu4A

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You can start reading about my travels here:
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=32219.msg365947#msg365947

And this is what I ended up building:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/x4rhuqxLHXQvgtu4A

I stand on the shoulders of giants. You've already been down the same path! Your station, Chris, looks designed by the same team on a different day...your thread will be a great help. Maybe my prototype is a bit larger? The bay window on seems wider.

The station was in Sterling, Ohio, down the same track from Hubbard. Erie and B&O parallel here for a time, then doe-see-doe before going their separate ways. A B&O spur came down from Cleveland area here is well, so potentially a busy station.

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That station looks like just an adaptation from B&O standard plans.   I've got a drawings of those somewhere...
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That station looks like just an adaptation from B&O standard plans.   I've got a drawings of those somewhere...

I appreciate anything you might dig up.

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Maybe you could start with a AMB NP depot. That is what I did for another:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/6aeCAzh3HtxVtcmy9

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Here’s what I ended up with. Scratch built, RS laser windows, Tichy doors. Still pondering the roof, I’m thinking of experimenting with a laser printed pattern. It ended up a mirror image due to a moment of inattention at a critical moment, but it makes no difference for the layout. It’s on a t-track Module.

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I am coming very late to this thread, but here is some info, anyway.

The pictures do indeed look like a B&O "standard plan" station.  If you never got drawings for those, I can send you some jpegs.

The pitch on the roof is "1-to-3", which means that the height of the peak was one-third of the span of the rafters.  That comes out to 33.7 degrees.  I am also working on making a station like yours, so I did some math to figure out the angles to cut the roof panel edges to make them fit properly.  I don't have a CAD program to do that, so it was all done with trigonometry and hand calculations.  Because I have not had the opportunity to actually make the cuts, I can't promise that my calcs don't have any errors, but I can provide them if you wish.

Finally, those little knobs on the ends of the roof ridge are finials that are unique to B&O (unless somebody knows of others).  They are shown in the "B&O Standard Plans" book.  Even better, there is a guy in the B&O groups.io group who is working on making those and the ridge roles, too, as 3D prints in several scales, including N. I haves some to test, but am delinquent in doing that due to some hurricanes and other distractions, like moving my shop.




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The pitch on the roof is "1-to-3", which means that the height of the peak was one-third of the span of the rafters.  That comes out to 33.7 degrees.  I am also working on making a station like yours, so I did some math to figure out the angles to cut the roof panel edges to make them fit properly.  I don't have a CAD program to do that, so it was all done with trigonometry and hand calculations.  Because I have not had the opportunity to actually make the cuts, I can't promise that my calcs don't have any errors, but I can provide them if you wish.

Finally, those little knobs on the ends of the roof ridge are finials that are unique to B&O (unless somebody knows of others).  They are shown in the "B&O Standard Plans" book.  Even better, there is a guy in the B&O groups.io group who is working on making those and the ridge roles, too, as 3D prints in several scales, including N. I haves some to test, but am delinquent in doing that due to some hurricanes and other distractions, like moving my shop.

I just ballparked the roof profile using the photographs, but it happily turns out it's pretty close to 1-to-3 on my model, thanks for the affirmation. I used the geometric method given here, https://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/20773-scratch-building-a-hipped-roof/, to determine the angles to cut.
Those 3D prints of the roof details sound interesting indeed! The roof is still a work in progress. I am OK with the roof being unadorned, but if there's a source for details ready-made...


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Re: What do you reckon are the dimensions on this station? And that hip roof...
« Reply #11 on: September 03, 2020, 06:30:31 PM »
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The guy working on 3D printing the sheet metal roof ridge rolls and finials for B&O buildings with slate roofs is Charles Sloane.  He can be contacted on the B&O groups.io list or directly at Ncwsloane@earthlink.net.  He has given me permission to post his contact info here for other models to get in touch with him.