Deutsche V 200 Streifen

[Doug G.]

Do any of you European guys (or anybody, for that matter) know the color of the two stripes along the sides of the V 200 locomotives? In photographs, they sometimes look white but usually, they look kind of a muted silver or gray.

Peteski?

Thanks.

Doug

[peteski]

I don't have an official answer, but on the model I have in my display case the stripe between the red and gray are silver.  But that one has a single wide stripe. I have seen double thin stripe versions too. I think those are also silver (or even metal moldings).

[sumfred]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_V_200.0#/media/File:V200_033_F%C3%BCrth.jpg

They appear to be silver
Fred

[peteski]

In this photo they do look silver:


But in this one, you would swear they are white (especially since the buffer halos are white).


It really depends on the lighting and on photo exposure. But they are likely silver (like on  the model I own).

[Doug G.]

OK, thanks you guys. I think I'll make them a grayish silver as they appear in most of the photos. I have a very old Rapido model and it looks like they didn't bother to put the stripes on it or they are totally worn off.

They kind of look like moldings to me, too.

Doug

[peteski]

A Minitrix diecast toy I have also had those stripes raised.  Back in those days they were probably easier to paint that way.

[Doug G.]

The ones with two large windows toward the center and "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" along the sides must be a later version than the ones with two vents where the windows would be later and a single smaller window right in the center.

I was listening to them on YouTube and they seem to have had a more "sophisticated" diesel sound to them compared to others. Smoother sounding. Kind of like comparing EMD diesels to Alcos over here.

Built by Krauss-Maffei, the same company who built the diesel-hydraulics S.P. and Rio Grande experimented with here.

Doug

[peteski]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB_Class_V_200 :

The V 200 had two fast-running (1500 RPM) V12 diesel engines. The transmission was hydraulic, each engine drove one bogie set via a hydraulic torque converter. The maximum speed was 140 km/h. The prototypes had a maximum power of 1,471 kW, the V 200.0 had a power of 1,618 kW. Unlike some other diesel-hydraulic locomotives the V 200 was renowned for its high reliability. Maybach (type MD650), Mercedes-Benz (type MB820Bb) and MAN (type L 12 V 18/21) engines were used. The hydraulic transmissions fitted to the locomotives were supplied by Maybach (type Mekydro K104U) and Voith (type LT306r/rb). Although differing in several ways - for example the Mekydro K104 transmission had a single torque converter and four mechanical gear stages while the Voith L306 had three different-sized torque converters - the engines and transmissions were designed so that the various types were completely interchangeable, not just amongst V 200.0 but with other locomotive types (V80/V100) and diesel multiple units (VT11, VT08 & VT12) that DB ordered around the same time as the V 200.0. It was not uncommon to find a single locomotive with one Mercedes engine and one Maybach unit running together. The MAN engines were only fitted to five locomotives in 1959 as an experiment and these locomotives eventually had their engines replaced with the more common Maybach or Mercedes engines.

Maybe those dual fast running Diesels give it that "sophisticated" sound?

The loco which has different window arrangement is a V221: http://www.dbtrains.com/en/locomotives/epochIV/BR220-221

Here is the German  Wikipedia (no English version) about V200.1 (V221).
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/DB-Baureihe_V_200.1

[keeper]

Well, the stripe is definitely not white. It is more silver/aluminium/light gray...

The first batch of V 200 / BR 220 had 'DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN' in aluminium letters on the side. The second batch had the DB-Emblem (cast iron) on the side. The first batch received those emblems later so that they looked all the same.

The ones with the different window arrangement are the V 200.1 / BR 221 as Peteski already mentioned. They are a derivative of the V 200 with more power. One of the noticeable differences is the shape of the nose.

Thomas

[Doug G.]

Thanks for the information, Thomas. So I had it backward. The version with the two large windows and "DEUTSCHE BUNDESBAHN" are the first ones.

I asked because the Arnold model has the single smaller window in the center and the two large vents and two smaller vents outside of those and the "DB" emblem.

I did mean to mention the two higher revving V12 engines being a good reason for the smoother sound but forgot to. Another interesting feature is the inside frame trucks to reduce weight.

Doug

[strummer]

I have a "200" made by Roco, and a "221" by Minitrix.

Both are very well made, and run great, especially the Roco.

I tried to post some pictures, but I'm having difficulty doing so for some reason... 

Mark in Oregon

[Cajonpassfan]

Ugly Mutter😜
I had a TT model of it by Zeuke as a teen, and tried to like it...
Otto, ducking...

[peteski]

I also have the Roco N scale model and Otto's "Ugly Ducking" TT Berliner Bahnen (Zeuke) model that I ran on my first layout (back in Poland).  I don't find it ugly - I guess it grew on me.  And to me, it is more attractive than any of the American narrow hood diesels.

[nkalanaga]

No uglier than a BL2.

[strummer]

I also have the Roco N scale model...

Peteski

How does yours run? I ask this because the general opinion of N scale Roco engines, I think it's safe to say, is not "great".

Both my V200 and V215 run VERY well, so I'm just curious.

It also seems a bit odd to be able to openly discuss DB models here... 

Mark in Oregon