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Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« on: January 22, 2019, 12:40:05 AM »
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A few months ago I started a PRR Z74 Business car kitbash, starting from a Lima observation car.  Below is the build progression.

First, the back wall of the obs is set back into the rear of the car, with side walls having windows.  I had to cut that out and move it to the end of the car fitting it with styrene.


This picture shows the wall moved and glued in place flush with the ends of the wall and a set of Keystone Details Lima steps installed.


This picture shows an leftover KD etched door overlay and steps below.


Next I had to fill in the door on the opposite side as the floor plan calls for a heater in that corner of the car.  One side of the steps was then removed.


This picture shows the previously removed Lima glass glued onto the KD Lima OBS arched roof.


The next two pictures were taken after removing the vertical supports for picture windows in the Dining area and rear observation area, I taped off the windows on each side of the car that required plating according to the plan.




This picture shows the plating in process.


This is all of the parts needed for the car, just prior to painting the carrbody.


Here I am test fitting the GMM Observaion deck railing.


This picture shows the Micro-Trains PRR Diner car trucks, which are correct for this car according to images I have.


Some time passed, and then I painted the carbody.  At that point a crazy diversion to detail the interior occurred, so I started to scratch build the various compartments.  Up front, is the smaller kitchen and cook's quarters.  The walls are styrene covered with printed photo paper of oak paneling and door panels.  Doors were cut out separately and glued atop that.  Room side:


Hallway side:


The rear quarters are the longer section with a dining area in between this and the kitchen rooms. This is the observation room fireplace and door to the hallway along the side of the car:


Hallway side after gluing all of the room portions to a brass weight strip that lays on the bottom of the car:
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This is the room side.  Its likely fantasy but I added a curved ceiling over the dining area just for effect.


This is the assembly after installing into the car.  Small pices of styrene on the floor keep the assembly centered so the roof can install.


After painting the car, I tested the interior inside with some lights above the rooms and the styrene ceilings left an nice room glow.












The pictures above prompted me to further the distraction by installing LEDs on the roof...


Here are the LED's lighting up the various rooms in the dark.  Yes I will likely add some form of shades.




The next two pictures are of each side of the car after decaling.




This is right after I attached the GMM railing and painted the curtain.


This is the car as it stands right now.  You can see I have added some roof details and will add some more and further, I really don't want to try to piece together four sets of car number 7507...  Ugh.  The wires hanging out of the back of the car will give way to a battery inside the roof and a magnetic reed switch.

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 01:41:19 AM »
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Nice, John. 8)
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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 08:21:48 PM »
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Thanks for posting! Now I've got a use for one of those PRR foobie obs cars sitting in the drawer.
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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 10:02:01 PM »
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Thanks @narrowminded !

That was the idea @towl1996 , I suppose an MT obs or Atlas/CC/RR obs could be coaxed into a D74x as well if the car is not too long.  Arched roof is not imperative- most had Clerestory roofs.

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 11:08:17 PM »
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Making that end wall flush is what makes it look like a PRR business car. Most, if not all, looked like that. Nice job! I don't have the book in front of me now, but I think many of these got rid of the 6 wheel trucks for some 4 wheel ones.
I think these were the ones:
http://www.spookshow.net/trucks/prr2ep9.html



Of course, it depends on the car, and the year.

A few months ago I started a PRR Z74 Business car kitbash, starting from a Lima observation car.  Below is the build progression.

First, the back wall of the obs is set back into the rear of the car, with side walls having windows.  I had to cut that out and move it to the end of the car fitting it with styrene.


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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2019, 05:58:26 AM »
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@chicken45 If you have the PRR Business & Special Cars book, on page 126 the car "PENNSYLVANIA" is shown in 1950 using the MT style trucks.

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2019, 10:18:59 AM »
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Everyone's making awesome passenger cars these days!

Did you consider using Rapido Easy Peasy lighting? It's so easy even I could implement it!

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2019, 10:48:18 AM »
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Everyone's making awesome passenger cars these days!

Did you consider using Rapido Easy Peasy lighting? It's so easy even I could implement it!

1: Can't find them anywhere
2: I can roll my own, even with the reed switch.  Digikey is awesome.  Also I'm not sure there's room mow and I wanted custom LED placement.

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2019, 12:36:32 PM »
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Beautiful work John!

Almost every box of "old passenger car parts" I bought on eBay or elsewhere over the last 25 years had at least one Lima or MP shell. This thread really is inspirational- I need to get to work on some of them.  Probably no PRR business cars in my future, but maybe a Wabash parlor obs and who knows what else.  Thanks for sharing this great piece of work with us.

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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2019, 04:50:08 PM »
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1: Can't find them anywhere
2: I can roll my own, even with the reed switch.  Digikey is awesome.  Also I'm not sure there's room mow and I wanted custom LED placement.

John,
I saw your email.  Unfortunately it is not that easy peasy. It is done electronically. We have discussed the latching reed switch functionality few times. See:
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=35644.0
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=43577.0

I absolutely hate battery powered car illumination. There is no reason to do that when plenty of power is easily accessible from the track, and with good deflicker circuit you get lots of good and steady illumination.  Do you really want to be futzing around with those tiny leaky batteries?  Get it track-powered and your fingers will thank you.  :)  It's not like you haven't done this before . . .  :trollface:
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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2019, 06:37:43 PM »
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That looks incredible, John @Lemosteam ! The interior really sets it off, too - it wouldn't be the same car without it. Bravo, sir!
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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2019, 07:01:55 PM »
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http://fiferhobbysu770.corecommerce.com/Rapido-Easy-Peasy/RAP-102021-Rapido-Easy-Peasy-Passenger-Car-Lighting-Kit-p15188.html

I saw those and pointed @bbussey to them as he was looking for a batch.  I assumed he swept them up.  As for item 2:  I cannot position the lED's where I want them but I am able to as shown here. note that some are offset and I have a 100 ohm resistor on them too:


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Re: Pennsy Class Z74dR Business car build
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 08:51:00 PM »
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...... As for item 2:  I cannot position the lED's where I want them......


IED’s. !  🥺.   Now that’s taking n scale modeling to a whole new level.   I thought this was TRW not ISIS.
But seriously I love what you have done.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 08:59:52 PM »
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IED’s. !  🥺.   Now that’s taking n scale modeling to a whole new level.   I thought this was TRW not ISIS.
But seriously I love what you have done.

lED?
It is a lower-case el.  :D

John, so all those LEDs are hooked up in parallel with a single a single series-resistor?  Once I get back from Springfield next week we can figure out how to wire them into the Easy-peasy board. Assuming that you can shoehorn it in your car (in addition to the LEDs you have already installed). It's against my religion, but what the heck!  :)
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