Green applied to jets being shipped by flatcar.

[JoeD]

Howdy

Anyone have the 411 on what color the protective coating is on the jets being transported by rail?  I understand it's a water soluble protective coating.  Need a model or PMS reference.  From what I've read it's somewhat iridescent as well just to make it interesting.

Thanks a ton

Joe

 

[peteski]

I have no inside knowledge but looking at bunch of photos (doin the research for my own Boeing train) it appears to be a transparent bluish-green coating. It has a metallic sheen because of the silver aluminum it is applied to. Sort of like candy color on automobiles (which use sliver or gold base to appear metallic).  The fuselage photos seem to also indicate many different shades (unless the photos aren't really capturing the true color of it as seen in-person).  Are you sure it is water soluble?  Wouldn't it be washed off when the train travels through rain?

You could also just model the train as it appeared years ago, when the fuselages were being shipped without the green coating. They were just aluminum color.

I came up with my own blend of Tamiya acrylic transparent green, blue, clear, and thinner airbrushed over silver base to simulate that coating on the fuselages I'm building.  I doubt there will be a PMS reference since it is not a finish color (just a temporary coating).

[pmpexpress]

According to page eight of the Concept Models HO B737-800 Carrier Assembly Instructions:

http://www.con-sys.com/pdf/B737-800_Instr_Sheet.pdf

The following paint scheme can be used on the fuselage.

Paint the entire fuselage aluminum or
chrome silver.

I prefer chrome silver, which I get from Ace Hardware.

Any overcoat on chrome silver tones it down to an aluminum-like appearance.

Next, since Boeing components are usually shipped with a transparent green overcoat, this can
be simulated by using Testor’s Candy Apple Green color used for painting race cars.

The bracing components are a light gray.

Concept Models Aircraft Cars & Components Original Kits page.

http://www.con-sys.com/aircraft_parts.htm

[Santa Fe Guy]

Hi Joe.
Here is a couple of shots of a Boeing train I took at Santa Fe Junction a while back.
Sorry no idea of the colour however Pete's' Tamiya colour could be about right.
Maybe ask the plant in Wichita.
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[Spades]

From  http://cs.trains.com/mrr/f/88/t/203277.aspxThat   .... suggestions here for painting the model:

http://www.con-sys.com/files/B737-800_Instr_Sheet.pdf

  Read the lower part of the instructions - They suggest Testors Candy Apple Green over a base coat of Chrome Silver.

FYI Most likely it is this stuff :http://www.ppgaerospace.com/Products/Coatings-Removers-Cleaners/Coatings/Temporary-Removable-Coatings/ZR-6320-Temporary-Protective-Coating.aspx  The purpose is to protect the surface of the bare aluminum from scratches and corrosion prior to the painting process. Its removed by a solvent wash prior to final painting. It can be several different products according to what is specified and the location material applied over, hence the variations in color on a 'green jet'

I have seen craft store paint closer to the blue than the Testor's CA Green. Edit for clarity and me not write well.

[peteski]

I think straight candy apple green will be a bit too intense (and wrong shade - it needs more blue).  I looked over hundreds of photos and there are countless shade variations in the photos:








For reference (from my experience with model paints) this looks like candy apple green:



This is a photo friend of mine took about a month ago. It also shows the other colors to be used.

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[Point353]

I have no inside knowledge but looking at bunch of photos (doin the research for my own Boeing train) it appears to be a transparent bluish-green coating. It has a metallic sheen because of the silver aluminum it is applied to. Sort of like candy color on automobiles (which use sliver or gold base to appear metallic). 

I came up with my own blend of Tamiya acrylic transparent green, blue, clear, and thinner airbrushed over silver base to simulate that coating on the fuselages I'm building.  I doubt there will be a PMS reference since it is not a finish color (just a temporary coating).

Did you ever try a metallic green base coat with a transparent blue top coat - or transparent green over metallic blue?

[peteski]

Did you ever try a metallic green base coat with a transparent blue top coat - or transparent green over metallic blue?

No, but it sounds like it will be too rich of a color. Unless the metallic green is a pastel color and and the transparent blue is light (or vice-versa). But I really don't think I need to reinvent this as what I have works for me and is a repeatable 2-coat process (just like what you propose). 

I suppose that if I was Micro-Trains and was gearing for a production run of those fuselages I would try a custom mix of tinted metallic colors, to be able to achieve the desired color in a single spraying.  I'm pretty sure that many of the paints they use for decorating their models are custom mixes.

[John]

The yellow is probably a zinc chromate ..  did you try contacting the Boeing PR department?   

[ljudice]

A few hours of wetvac-ing and a little bondo and no one will know the difference:

[nkalanaga]

I believe they did salvage and rebuild some of the derailed fuselages, but doubt that these were among them.

There were several comments in the local media at the time about "migrating airplanes", comparing them to salmon.  As can be seen, they also became a tourist attraction, and the river had to be closed to rafters during the recovery.

[jcox3751]

Several years ago NSE did a special run of this car and plane. Please contact Fred, or Dean and try and match those. They look good.

jcox3751

[peteski]

Several years ago NSE did a special run of this car and plane. Please contact Fred, or Dean and try and match those. They look good.

jcox3751

NSC NSE, (Fred, etc.) are pretty much connected with MTL at the hip.  It is possible that they are already collaborating on this project.  I don't recall NSC ever offering a custom run of the 737 fuselages on flats, but if they did, it must have been resin-cast.  The MTL announcements stated that these will be injection-molded polystyrene fuselages (which is a first in N scale).  As far as color goes, as the online photos show, there seem to be variations in the color between the fuselages.

[jcox3751]

NSE gave away as a door prize a few years ago. Plane is a plastic plane, not sure of scale.

I made a small change. I did a 3D printed clearance structure and a nose rest.

jcox3751

[peteski]

NSE gave away as a door prize a few years ago. Plane is a plastic plane, not sure of scale.

I made a small change. I did a 3D printed clearance structure and a nose rest.

jcox3751

Ah, so it was a one-of-a-kind, or very small run, of hand-built models.  The color looks pretty good. If the fuselage is plastic then it is most likely 1:144 scale.  It slightly too large (might have clearance problems on some layouts.  I built a similar model but used a 1:200 scale fuselage (which is a too small but no clearance issues).

There are currently the correct scale fuselages (plus ice breaker and cradles) available from http://www.wolfbonegames.com/. Friend and I are making another Boeing train (correctly scaled this time).