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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #300 on: August 11, 2017, 06:47:39 PM »
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Milled?  It started as square brass tubing perimeter frame and Ron soldered some pieces of 1/16" brass sheet to fill it in.
Ron, I'm surprised that you just added solid fill to the (hollow) perimeter frame instead of remaking the entire frame as a solid brass piece (to maximize weight).

I just experimented one step at a time.  The outer frame was first.

Then the initial solid brass.

Then I got to thinking about the screw and needed those inner wings to get to the middle.

I don't have a milling machine, so this one just happened.
We'll see how the next one goes one day.



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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #301 on: August 11, 2017, 06:49:02 PM »
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How about some Tungsten rod inside the tubing ? Great builds By The Way !!

Good idea.

Based on your name, do you sell it?
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #302 on: August 11, 2017, 06:52:11 PM »
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Can you take a shot of the body tipped over in orientation to the frame so it's possible to see how much space is left on either end of the motor and tower in comparison to the body shell?   I went the Roco truck route to have room for the gearhead, but after getting the shell, I'm wondering if there was enough space anyway.

Later tonight, sure.   Those screws works, but I'm going to cut them down.... and that will take some time.
Once done, assembly/disassembly will be easier.

The motor comes up to the back wall of the cab.  There is only a slight gap (which is good since I feared the motor poles might get a little warm and warp the shell).

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #303 on: August 11, 2017, 07:49:07 PM »
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Randy,

Does this shot give you the info you're wanting?

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #304 on: August 11, 2017, 07:52:04 PM »
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This shot shows the lead weight distribution that I used just so I could get it to run with the decoder (too light with no weight at all).

The nose weight came out to 7 grams.

The cab weight came out to 19 grams.

And when I ran it forward it would do wheelies!
Too much weight in the back!

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #305 on: August 11, 2017, 09:48:06 PM »
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Wow, well....almost.   What's the length of your motor?   I want to compare it to the 11-105 plus the gearhead.

Anyway, I did my first video of it running.   I'm happy with it, I just don't think this is the optimum method to be copied.

To me, the speed control I'm getting out of the gearhead is worth the grief to get there, but I'm not sure anyone else will agree with that.  It's handling itself just fine across insulated #6 frogs, and that's no small trick for a critter.

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Just weighed it, right now I'm at 31.9 grams.
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #306 on: August 11, 2017, 10:37:19 PM »
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It was advertised as 15mm, but it is not.

I measured case and then from the inner case to the outer bearing cover.

I assume you need the 15.8mm length.

How does that compare with the gearhead?

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #307 on: August 12, 2017, 08:42:12 AM »
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Wow. WONDERFUL job guys. You've taken this thing far and beyond where I myself thought the RP shell could take it. I'm going to order up some motors and other parts and build one or two myself.
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #308 on: August 12, 2017, 09:01:08 AM »
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Over the rear bearing I've got a solid 18mm.   Huh.  But I also have about 2mm empty in the nose, about 1 mm empty behind the geartower in the cab, and the 3mm gap in the middle where I shortened up the universal.



In a perfect world you'd fit the gear head on the Kato truck.  Rats. 
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #309 on: August 12, 2017, 09:12:51 AM »
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Good idea.

Based on your name, do you sell it?



No Sir I do not . The name stems from being a Blacksmith and I do all other ranges of metal work including Casting all metals including Cast Iron.I make my own Iron and steel from ore using Viking style smelters. Some machine work , in the process of getting a couple small lathes up and running now.  Doing this small of work is new to me and I'm learning a lot following these builds and reading past threads. Chris's speeder will be my first build my gearheads and Kato chassis arrived this week.   

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #310 on: August 12, 2017, 01:16:54 PM »
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Finding a way to use two screws to pull down the cab has given me fits (and really slowed me down).

1.  The motor comes almost all the way to the back wall- so not much room there.
2.  I could place brass blocks in the cab sides--- but if I did that I wouldn't be able to deal with windows very well.
3.  I could fill the whole cab with lead, but that would make the cab end too heavy-- plus I really want the cab to be open.
4.  I could just leave it alone and have a gap.  It's a Shapeways product.  What can I say.

After thinking about this on and off for about two days, I found a compromise.  Not perfect but sufficient.

I took the shell to the facet and held the front cab windows under hot water and then tried to carefully bend the shell a bit.
I was scared of course, but I made some progress in the end.

The gap is still there, but not as pronounced as it was.
The battery boxes look good (except under close macro shots), so the only remaining visual stumble is the steps.  I'll probably fill that gap with styrene later before painting.

Here is the way it looks now.



Now comes the part I hate.  But have to do it.
Making custom lead weights is time consuming and hard on the fingers.
But it had to be done.

Made a weight hidden in the top of the cab (roof).
I left angles (bottom side) for windows in the future.




Now to fill the battery boxes.  Started with a car tire weight.
Needed two.




Here the weights are in place.   The one on the right needs thinning some more.  Don't want it to press on the motor and cause a bind.




The height of the rear weights is determined by the low windows in the rear.
Also made a weight for the nose.  Goes almost to the roof.




Of course, had to make a groove for the fiber optics for the headlights.



Weight totals:

Nose - 10 grams
battery box - 4 grams each
cab roof - 3 grams

Thus, front added weight = 10 grams.
Rear added weight = 11 grams.

Since the motor is in the rear, I will probably mill out the styrene I added to the fuel tank and add weight there.
I should get 1 extra gram up front.
And that would be about as balanced as I could get it.

Total weight of the TP70 (so far) = 39 grams
(which if I remember correctly, is about the weight of an Atlas GP38/40).

Runs a tiny bit jerky under DCC low speed (I guess typical of critters).
But runs fabulous under normal speed.

Here is the TP70 will all weights installed.
Open cab!
The battery box weights are about the level of the floor.
So I plan to add chairs, control stand and an engineer.






Need to add a styrene support for under the motor.

Then ready to move on to lights.

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #311 on: August 12, 2017, 01:45:24 PM »
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Runs a tiny bit jerky under DCC low speed (I guess typical of critters).
But runs fabulous under normal speed.


I wonder if the jerkiness is caused by the decoder's BEMF when driving that motor?  You might want to mess around with the BEMF CVs or even try another decoder.  Have you tried on DC (in the current configuration)?
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #312 on: August 12, 2017, 03:40:59 PM »
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How many cars can it pull now?
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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #313 on: August 12, 2017, 05:13:28 PM »
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I wish it was this easy to make up a small 0-4-0 steamer  :|

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Re: The TP56 Kitbash thread N scale
« Reply #314 on: August 12, 2017, 06:03:04 PM »
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How many cars can it pull now?

At present, 9   50' boxcars and a caboose.
On the Plywood Plains (level track, 11" curves).

Not sure about switching through turnouts and not sure about overheating!

But pretty good so far.

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