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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #525 on: April 21, 2017, 11:01:10 PM »
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Bob, GOEMON is *NOT* a MTL coupler - As it is customary on TRW we again had an off-topic diversion.  GOEMON is the new and slinky realistic-looking N scale coupler.
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #526 on: April 21, 2017, 11:31:14 PM »
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Peter, as has already been said, slinky effect would keep me from converting, no matter how lovely the coupler looked. 

Also, I am sure that compatibility is not one of the goals that MTL has with their True Scale line.  In fact, for the new couplers to be a true game-changer, it is required that they NOT be compatible, but at least as easily coupled as their present N-gauge/Z-gauge couplers are, as well as looking as close to prototype as is economically feasible.  Centering for me isn't necessary either, and the slinky effect problem is already solved.

Also, the price is right too.

The prime example of this business plan is the introduction of the Kadee N-scale couplers, which had ZERO compatibility with the predominant Rapido N-gauge couplers.  Introduction of MTL TSC's is based on the assumption that modelers who use them are exponentially more interested in how they look and function in use with each other than compatibility with other, lesser, grossly oversize N-gauge knuckle couplers.

As the MTL TSC's are now, they need a bit more work, mostly because of their grossly out-of-scale coupler pocket, but after modifying the two coupler halves as per Jason's @wcfn100 instructions, and installing them in his excellent Shapeways coupler pocket, I am installing them in as many cars & engines that the pocket works with...but it is slooooow going!

If, during re-tooling the upgraded MTL TSC's look a bit more realistic, couple together easier and have a few styles of near-prototypical looking and sized pockets...these will change the game drastically.

I'll keep my fingers crossed....

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore
I for one, like the standard box for certain applications. The are an easy way to convert Atlas/Kato/MTL locos...like my SW1500


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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #527 on: April 22, 2017, 07:14:40 AM »
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Bob, GOEMON is *NOT* a MTL coupler - As it is customary on TRW we again had an off-topic diversion.  GOEMON is the new and slinky realistic-looking N scale coupler.

Peter, I never said the GOEMON was an MTL coupler, but it's attachment point looks to be the same, with the same spring in it...which means it's going to be slinkying around just like MTL non-True-Scale-couplers.

It's also too big, being not an "N-scale" coupler, but an N-gauge coupler...

If it were sized to be used on Z-gauge trains, then maybe it would be okay for N-scale, but why not just make it actual N-scale in the first place????  Ohhhh...the "compatibility" thing again. 

To reiterate...MTL has the right idea.  To HELL with compatibility and just make a scale-sized coupler that has a scale-looking coupler pocket (in differing designs to attach to a majority of cars & engines), isn't "magnematic", couples together with itself easily, with enough side swivel for long cars & not-so-broad curves, and uncouples with a toothpick.

I think MTL is going to pleasantly surprise us with the next iteration of the TSC....

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #528 on: April 22, 2017, 09:59:55 AM »
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Peter, I never said the GOEMON was an MTL coupler, but it's attachment point looks to be the same, with the same spring in it...which means it's going to be slinkying around just like MTL non-True-Scale-couplers.

It's also too big, being not an "N-scale" coupler, but an N-gauge coupler...


I think MTL is going to pleasantly surprise us with the next iteration of the TSC....

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore

I hope so! We need an offset shank for gons , flats, and tank cars. Not using the lid to get more height results in operational issues with the coupler.
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #529 on: April 25, 2017, 02:41:04 PM »
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One of the reasons the new True-Scale couplers stay coupled so well, despite the knuckle height, is that they couple tight.  Making anything scale size with the wide, loose gather of either the MTL N or Z scale couplers, is just going to invite the problems we see with slipping knuckles on long trains. 

So, I vote for ignoring the current standards as well and continuing down the path of incompatibility.  Thinner boxes, more prototypical draft gear boxes, and yes, more detail on the knuckle is all doable now that there is a new standard knuckle interface available. 

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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #530 on: May 12, 2017, 07:05:31 PM »
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I'D like to see a variant I could drop in the body mounted boxes on my Athearn 2 Bays and my BLMA PD Hoppers. That's all that's holding me back from converting the layout.
And shelf couplers for my tank cars!
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #531 on: May 12, 2017, 07:22:24 PM »
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #532 on: June 15, 2017, 12:35:11 PM »
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« Reply #511 on: April 21, 2017, 01:24:16 PM »

"Good stuff here and I have been lurking on this thread.  We have some new stuff in the works and are looking at getting more swing on the couplers.   This project is evolving and thanks to sales I have some latitude to do some interesting options I think you all will like.  As I get closer to cutting steel I'll post what I can.

Thanks again for all the great work here.

Joe (Shipsure)"

Joe, any update on the "new stuff"?
Verne, my maintenance supervisor, wants to know so that he can schedule some shop time to retrofit the fleet.
Thanks, and keep up the good work.
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #533 on: June 15, 2017, 04:24:29 PM »
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I used the scale coupler on these C Liners. I also helped coupling the two units closer together.


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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #534 on: June 15, 2017, 04:32:07 PM »
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I'D like to see a variant I could drop in the body mounted boxes on my Athearn 2 Bays and my BLMA PD Hoppers. That's all that's holding me back from converting the layout.
And shelf couplers for my tank cars!

A variant that fits anywhere that an Accumate fits would be nice.

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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #535 on: June 16, 2017, 07:29:09 AM »
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We have some new stuff in the works and are looking at getting more swing on the couplers. This project is evolving and thanks to sales I have some latitude to do some interesting options I think you all will like.

Joe,

I don't know how to say it without offending you, but as much as I like the fact that improvements will be made, I as a buyer of the first series am left with a coupler that can't be used as it is too stiff.

I should have waited. This creates a vicious circle. Early adpoters refrain from buying new products, which leads to manufacturers have increasing problems when offering a new product.

Can you at least give me some tips on how to improve the earlier couplers?

   Javier

P.S. And for the folks who will downvote my post: No, I don't want my money back. Micro-Trains makes great products IMHO.
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #536 on: June 16, 2017, 10:41:17 AM »
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I'm enjoying these. I just wish there was a 2004 variant of the coupler.
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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #537 on: June 16, 2017, 02:34:50 PM »
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Can you at least give me some tips on how to improve the earlier couplers?

This has been discussed at length already... you basically need to sand down the "whiskers" (for lack of a better term) a little so that the coupler won't be quite so stiff.  Earlier in this thread it was talked about some and the improvement is supposedly rather fine.

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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #538 on: June 16, 2017, 02:54:34 PM »
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I'm enjoying these. I just wish there was a 2004 variant of the coupler.

I love the ten pair that I have installed, but I agree with that sentiment.

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Re: Preview of upcoming MTL True-Scale Coupler system
« Reply #539 on: June 16, 2017, 03:00:29 PM »
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This has been discussed at length already... you basically need to sand down the "whiskers" (for lack of a better term) a little so that the coupler won't be quite so stiff.  Earlier in this thread it was talked about some and the improvement is supposedly rather fine.

Thank you. I am going to do that.

I have read most of the pages (36!), but not all, so I missed that.

   Javier