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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2016, 01:38:23 PM »
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Hi Everyone,

I added some new important features this time, the first being that on the bottom of the board underneath each section there is a solder jumper that allows you to select operation with a common anode or a common cathode system. So your system will work our PCB, even if it is the atlas system or whatever oddball system you may have.

The second major change is the addition of 3 head drivers to the board. Our first version was the same size as this board, and only had one head controller. This version can control 3 heads. If you buy a one or two head version, one or two sections of the board will not have components soldered.

The section all the way to the left is the power supply. Basically you can feed any kind of power into this thing, be it DC, DCC, or AC (6-16V) and the power supply will filter it and regulate it to the correct voltage. That means that modular groups can use this signal system without having to purchase separate regulators, which in the end is another cost-saving measure.

With this version we sourced a new microcontroller which costs about 1/3 of the first one we used, but still has enough peripherals and memory.

The rest of the design is also coming along. We have several more versions to create in terms of heads, but work is progressing in getting the injection molded components together at the lowest price possible. I'll have more updates soon.

David

I'm not sure if the signals head is groundbreaking, but that control board now sounds wonderful - doing the common cathode / common anode option has been a major issue with me as I had to convert over a bulb signal system with a common to an LED system and you find out the hard way that all LED's are not created equal.   Sounds like real winner all by itself.

I know you've tinkered with etching on the handrail side of things, I'm still biased to metal parts for signals.  I have snapped off parts and entire masts of plastic NJ cantilevers more than I care to confess.

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2016, 04:25:36 PM »
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I'm not sure if the signals head is groundbreaking, but that control board now sounds wonderful - doing the common cathode / common anode option has been a major issue with me as I had to convert over a bulb signal system with a common to an LED system and you find out the hard way that all LED's are not created equal.   Sounds like real winner all by itself.

I know you've tinkered with etching on the handrail side of things, I'm still biased to metal parts for signals.  I have snapped off parts and entire masts of plastic NJ cantilevers more than I care to confess.

Yep, all of the handrails are made from metal and the pole is a brass tube. Same for the signal target and hood.
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #17 on: August 04, 2016, 12:31:21 AM »
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Hmmm.

To a certain extent I think you've invented the wheel here, although the original wheel may no longer be available?    I used BeNscale etched parts combined with a Tomar tricolor LED (you can buy the heads separately as a special order, prewired, for the ham-handed among us).  End result, however, is pretty darn spectacular on the layout.   http://www.randgust.com/winsig5.jpg

Yes, signal 285.5 (Winslow) has the head on so that the ladder is in the front.  And they are abnormally high.

The Tomar LED's have a rather nice yellow at about a foot away, closer than that and you can see convergence issues. 

Stainless is definitely the right material as anything else just won't take any on-layout abuse at all, let alone the casualties likely during assembly.   I'll admit this is on the ragged edge of what I can assemble from parts and make functional.    I really wouldn't want to have to solder up a control board just to get a yellow aspect, don't need anything more.   I'll pay $5 more just to get the LED properly soldered onto leads though, and also provide a table of resistance values based on input voltage.


Pretty sure those were etchings from White City Lines, not BeNscale. They are nickle silver.

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #18 on: August 04, 2016, 12:40:42 AM »
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2016, 01:28:37 PM »
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Rather than rehash some ideas, here's some old threads that are worth reading through:

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=29917.msg324886#msg324886


https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=31256.msg394301#msg394301

Thanks for the links. I'd be interested to know... besides the signals themselves, what kind of electronics leave more to be desired from in the signal world?

Thanks,

David
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #20 on: August 15, 2016, 11:07:41 PM »
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Alright everyone, here's another update. We have most of the parts in now, just waiting for the new 3D printed parts to arrive. Andrew Kyle assembled this signal from a test fret of parts.



I'm pleased with the results. In another few weeks, I should have an updated fret of parts that includes ladders for taller signals, as well as some more detailed etchings for the head. I have sourced new 3D printed parts from a new supplier that are 10x better than the ones I have been using from shapeways, no cleanup required. Here's the fret we used for this test:



The colors still need refining, but here are some of the test colors so far (Including Lunar):









The PCB's are looking perfect. Andrew reflowed one just this evening, and it is awaiting a programmed microcontroller before a final test.



We're locking down pricing over the next day or so, we'll post another update once that is done and we have some more test results. Also, I'm looking at the Darth vader signal as the next release. More to come on that one.

David
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2016, 08:16:29 AM »
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If the Darth Vader's are anywhere near as cool, and as functional . . . . you will be well rewarded for your efforts.
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2016, 08:58:54 AM »
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Whoa, really really nice!

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2016, 10:35:53 AM »
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Google strikes again.... I'm getting the gray circle for the last pic of the PCBs, but the others look ok,  and I could see all of them just fine last night....   :? :facepalm:

Really nice looking parts btw.  8)

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #24 on: August 16, 2016, 11:41:59 AM »
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Thanks for all the positive comments guys! I don't know what's going on with that last image.

All the pricing is locked down for the time being, but I think bulk discounts will be available. That should reduce the cost. You can see it all here: http://www.cescalemodels.com/n-signals/

I know, $15 for a signal seems like a lot, especially a kit. But I think these are probably the most to-scale signals available ever, and features like the vane movement simulation and the lunar element are better than anything else available so far. In some cases you could end up paying $20-$30 for the same thing from Showcase.

I should have a video showing simulations of vane movement later today, once Andrew codes everything. Right now we're still running simulations on the arduino, but hope to move over soon to the actual control boards.

David
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #25 on: August 17, 2016, 09:28:08 AM »
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Geez David, every single one of them sold out?
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #26 on: August 17, 2016, 10:20:21 AM »
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I think the pricing is excellent and you will sell a potful of the modern block signals...
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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2016, 11:25:18 AM »
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While I'm not in the need for searchlights, your pricing is absolutely reasonable, especially considering what you're getting.

When NJI is asking $50 a pop for these monstrosities, I think you're good.

http://i415.photobucket.com/albums/pp233/eric220/DSC_0005_zpsg62moale.jpg

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2016, 12:35:26 PM »
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$15 is an incredible bargain. 8)

Seriously, this is a tiny fraction of what I'll probably end up spending when I get around to making CPL's for my N&W layout!

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Re: New Searchlight Signal Idea
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2016, 01:30:59 PM »
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Thanks everyone!

I'm excited to announce that all of my searchlight products will be available for sale this Saturday, August 20th. Over the next few days, I will post some more photos of the signals. I'll also provide details on delivery, which should happen within a month. We're writing instructions, making diagrams, and finalizing code right up until then.

David
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