On30 ET&WNC R.R.

[Lemosteam]

Dude, you'll be sorry if you block that main clean out to the street. I think i would cut off the clean out, put a 90 onto the pipe in the wall at 45 degrees from horizontal with the clean out with the same tee pionting up and re-plumb the line back to it around the cornedr and down into the tee.

[Chris333]

The clean out should end up under the layout.

[OldEastRR]

So that is a sewer pipe running the length of the room?

[Philip H]

I'm going to be interested to see how you tackle this - when my eyesight gets too bad for N I'm planning to switch to On30 and do sugar cane railroading . . . .

[Scottl]

+1, but mine will be mining.

[davefoxx]

Dude, you'll be sorry if you block that main clean out to the street. I think i would cut off the clean out, put a 90 onto the pipe in the wall at 45 degrees from horizontal with the clean out with the same tee pionting up and re-plumb the line back to it around the cornedr and down into the tee.

I wouldn't even consider blocking access to that cleanout or the water meter.  But, I'm also not moving anything, except maybe the water heater, and, if I do, I might consider upgrading to a tankless heater.  But, that's down the road, because it's not in an area that I expect the On30 layout to go.

DFF

[davefoxx]

I'm going to be interested to see how you tackle this - when my eyesight gets too bad for N I'm planning to switch to On30 and do sugar cane railroading . . . .

I'm anxious to see how this gets tackled, too, because I'm having a hell of a time fitting a plan into the space.  The room width and an unfortunate entry door are making this much harder than it should be- even with only 18" minimum radius curves.    I may have to call it and only build a display or roundy-round layout and leave the ops to the N scale layout.  If I build the dream ET&WNC On30 layout, it's going to seriously impinge on the N scale layout's area and hinder the track plan there.

Still brainstorming,
DFF

[Scottl]

Build a roundy round On30 in the available space with future expansion for yard/operations.  Keep it simple at first, as you will no doubt learn a lot about the larger scale and what works and doesn't. Don't sweat the details now.

If I were to do On30 in the near term, I would start small to get my head around it and leave most of the available room for when I had my bearings.

[Dave V]

I'm anxious to see how this gets tackled, too, because I'm having a hell of a time fitting a plan into the space.  The room width and an unfortunate entry door are making this much harder than it should be- even with only 18" minimum radius curves.    I may have to call it and only build a display or roundy-round layout and leave the ops to the N scale layout.  If I build the dream ET&WNC On30 layout, it's going to seriously impinge on the N scale layout's area and hinder the track plan there.

Still brainstorming,
DFF

Follow your passion.  I would say for now shove the Seaboard Cebtral in a corner and do On30 right.  The Saluda Grade thing can wait!  I say that because you can run your favorite Southern power on the Seaboard Central right now if you have an immediate itch.  But you're just starting to indulge your Tweetsie passion and you don't want to strangle it before you've given it s far chance.  Just my two cents.

[davefoxx]

Follow your passion.  I would say for now shove the Seaboard Cebtral in a corner and do On30 right.  The Salida Grade thing can wait!  I say that because you can run your favorite Southern power on the Seaboard Central right now if you have an immediate itch.  But you're just starting to indulge your Tweetsie passion and you don't want to strangle it before you've given it s far chance.  Just my two cents.

The Saluda thing's not going to happen, which I at least implied in the first post of that thread.  Also, I only have one Southern Ry. locomotive, and there's no way that I'm going to eat up my tight hobby budget building that fleet.  A Saluda Grade layout is more of a fancy that I know will never get built.  Besides, two layouts will be more than enough, so I'll stick with the SBD (I already have a fleet, except for certain sound units, if IM ever releases the relevant SD40-2s) and the ET&WNC.

As far as shoving the Seaboard Central into a corner, you're on the same page as me.  That will scratch my N scale itch for a while, since I will have the ET&WNC taking much of my focus for now.

Thanks,
DFF

[Dave V]

Heh, I'd typed "Saluda" but my iPhone autocorrected it to "Salida," since we spend a lot of time in Salida, CO.  Fixed now.   

I wouldn't rule out a cockpit-style layout for the Tweetsie.  They may not be ideal for all cases but if making room for turnback curves is making things too tight and too crazy, "relax!"  For my RGS I'm planning a cockpit with interior peninsula and a lift-out bridge.  Not ideal, but it does relax the curves and "unstack" some of the scenes.

[davefoxx]

Heh, I'd typed "Saluda" but my iPhone autocorrected it to "Salida," since we spend a lot of time in Salida, CO.  Fixed now.   

I wouldn't rule out a cockpit-style layout for the Tweetsie.  They may not be ideal for all cases but if making room for turnback curves is making things too tight and too crazy, "relax!"  For my RGS I'm planning a cockpit with interior peninsula and a lift-out bridge.  Not ideal, but it does relax the curves and "unstack" some of the scenes.

Hmm, let me ponder that, because the turnback curves are killing me.

Thanks,
DFF

[p51]

FYI, I have the layout that is mentioned a few times in this thread. More info can be found for that here:http://www.freewebs.com/willysmb44/modeltrains.htm The layout will be in the On30 Annual this year!
I couldn't effectively model any actual portion of the ET&WNC in a 10X11 foot room, so I went with a fictional branch line up Stoney Creek, a real place running eastward out of Elizabethton, TN.
I am looking forward to seeing your progress on your layout, as not too many people are doing ET&WNC layouts in On30, in spite of all the Bachmann ten-wheelers running around...

[davefoxx]

FYI, I have the layout that is mentioned a few times in this thread. More info can be found for that here:http://www.freewebs.com/willysmb44/modeltrains.htm The layout will be in the On30 Annual this year!
I couldn't effectively model any actual portion of the ET&WNC in a 10X11 foot room, so I went with a fictional branch line up Stoney Creek, a real place running eastward out of Elizabethton, TN.
I am looking forward to seeing your progress on your layout, as not too many people are doing ET&WNC layouts in On30, in spite of all the Bachmann ten-wheelers running around...

@p51,

Welcome to The Railwire!  I have enjoyed reading about your layout on your website.  I've been a fan of the ET since the early 1990s when I lived in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.  I hope that I can build something as nice looking and as enjoyable as yours seems to be.

Thanks,
DFF

[p51]

What do you plan to use for rolling stock? Nobody yet makes a good ET boxcar in O, and even if they did, the ET used some comically long boxcars, some as long as 40 feet!
Nobody makes a good mass-produced kit of their hoppers, and I'm thinking of scratch-building a production line of them as I really need to have some.
I would suggest a good 'representational' example of their converted flats to low gons, though. You can cut the top two boards from a Bachmann high gon and you'll have a 'shorty'-ish version of their low gondolas:

This is a split photo of the exact same car.
If you're modeling the WW2 years, you don't even need to put road names on them, as they screwed sheet metal plates with the car number and weight onto the center of the sides:

I made my own plates from thin styrene for a while, then did them with photoshop, printed onto photo paper, then glued to the sides. I don't have a good photo of the finished product but could post one if you wanted...
Also, you can PM if you want a set of these decals I made for the tank portion of the two tank cars the ET&WNC had on the property by the WW2 years (you'd have to find your own white decals for the road name though):

And what ET layout would be complete without caboose 505? Deerfield River laser makes a good kit for this:

@p51,

Welcome to The Railwire!  I have enjoyed reading about your layout on your website.  I've been a fan of the ET since the early 1990s when I lived in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.  I hope that I can build something as nice looking and as enjoyable as yours seems to be.

I'm sure yours will be very good. I can tell I'm hardly the only one looking forward to seeing your progress.
My parents grew up outside of Elizabethton, and we'd go visit family at least once a year as I grew up in Florida. I saw the standard gauge (long after steam left) ET&WNC on countless occasions and saw the Porter 0-6-0 fireless loco at the North American Rayon plant many times (and even got to sit in the cab under steam, about 1984 or so).
My first cab ride ever was on SRR 630, which I refer to as ET&WNC 207.
I haven't been back to the area since before they yanked up the track. I really want to get back there, but I'm not looking forward to seeing a walking trail where the rails used to be.
Can't wait to get back, though, so I can get to the Avery County Museum, which has the Linville depot and hack # 505, as well as seeing the Doe River Gorge again.