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Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« on: July 16, 2016, 12:11:15 AM »
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Finally, after several years of waiting (I reserved them long time ago), my B&M cars have materialized.  Here are my comments and observations.

This is my first ever purchase of Rapido N scale passenger equipment, and only the second ever purchase of any of Rapido's N scale rolling stock.  The first one was their meat reefer, which was rather disappointing.  That was not unexpected - I knew ahead of time how I would feel about that model (after it was extensively described here), but I still wanted to get one so I can personally compare it to wood reefers from other manufacturers.

These cars come in a nice jewel box and are well protected from shipping damage. Additionally, there is a cardboard sleeve slipped over the jewel box. The car itself sits in a 2-piece cradle and the car is also wrapped in a thin clear polyethylene sheet. Several manufacturers use this type of packaging. Also in the package are two button cells to power the interior Easy-Peasy lights and a magnetic wand to turn the lights on or off.

Lifting the bottom car cradle reveals a small bag with couple of small parts, instruction sheet with info about the Easy-Peasy lighting system, exploded diagram of the car, and an advertisement for other Rapido cars.  The parts in that bag are steam connectors to be installed on the car's ends.  The instructions ans parts diagram can ve viewed online at http://rapidotrains.com/n-osgood-bradley-coaches-support/



Here's the car - I bought 5 of them.
Unlike the meat reefer, this car is impressive!  Very well done!  It was well-worth the long wait for this first-ever N scale model of this unique car.



Getting into more details, here is the comparison of the rivet details on this car compared to a Micro-Trains heavyweight car. Why? Because to me the MT car is the go-to reference model featuring very subtle rivet engraving, which even though a bit oversize, it has the "right" look to it. The rivets are also pronounced just enough not disappear under the coat of paint, but yet they do not look like giant bumps often modeled by other manufacturers.  Rapido car's rivet and panel details are still quite subtle and (even if quite a bit more pronounced than MT ones) they still look ok to me.  This delicate engraving is a major departure from the Rapido's meat reefers which had unrealistically wide and deeply engraved gaps between the boards. This photo also shows that the paint layer is much thicker on the Rapido car than on the MT car, and the engraving on the Rapido car is not quite as sharp or crisp as on the MT car.  Of course, this is all only visible under magnification, but that is what I do when evaluating a new model.





Closeup of the windows. They are well done. The "aluminum" frames and the center dividers are molded raised on the clear window "glass", then the silver and black areas are printed with paint  (no hot foil stamping like some manufacturers use).  What is odd is that the small window on either end has a silver-printed frame, but the molding is not raised. I'm not sure why those were done that way, but it is not something noticeable during normal viewing. Same goes for the corrugations on the restroom windows - the pattern is molded on the outside of the "glass" while the white paint is done on the inside. Again, not really noticeable under normal viewing conditions. Another detail which impressed me was the engraving on the step's risers.

Looking at the diaphragm in the photos above shows 2 fairly large holes in its side. Those are needed to retain a very fine photoetched gate across the diaphragm opening. While not realistic, I think that those holes are a small price to pay for including that gate.  Those holes could easily be filled and touched up with paint if someone wants to bother.

Those 2 photos above also show the handrails at the doors. They are add-on painted metal parts and while they look a bit thick, they aren't bad for an N scale mass-produced item.



One small detail that bothers me is the way the windows in the doors were molded. All the windows are designed to be flush with the car's outside surface.  That is commendable.  But that also resulted in a very visible border around the window in the doors. It has an appearance of looking at a bottom of a bottle. The other windows also have that border but it is neatly hidden by the silver frames.  This is something that other manufacturers have solved. Many Kato or other (usually German) manufactures make models which have flush-mounted windows without that visible border showing.  This photo shows a comparison of a flush-mounted door window on a Kato Orient Express car and this Rapido car. Kato car doesn't have that large clear border.



Speaking of windows, where some manufacturers use snap-in window inserts, Rapido's inserts are glued in (at the ends). This photo shows that.  This might make repainting the car more difficult (of someone wants to tackle that).



The ends of the car are very well done. Notice the diaphragm supports, and that fine photoetched gate across the diaphragm opening.  That looks great!  The grab irons at the bottom of the car end are molded-on, a departure from the separate ones at the doors. But to me that looks fine. Also visible (but a bit blurry) is the uncoupling lever on the left side of the car's end.





The underframe is very nicely detailed.  Lots of molded-in lines, and several added-on details like air tanks and drains.  Very impressive.



This photo shows the factory-installed steam line rising off the floor near the coupler. To that piece you can glue the steam coupling parts which came in a little bag in the bottom of the jewel box.



The trucks are well done, including the full perimeter frame.  The wheels are also very nice with low profile flanges. The wheel faces are not quite as nice as on the FVM wheels, but the wheel faces are mostly hidden behind the sideframes anyway.  The axle ends are 1mm diameter while the axle between the wheels is 1.5mm in diameter. The wheels are gauged properly!



Compared to a random passenger Kato truck I had handy, the Rapido trucks aren't as crisply molded (especially the coil springs). But one of the things Rapido trucks have going for them is that they are painted (where Kato are bare shiny plastic). I also suspect that the fairly thick paint is obscuring some of the crispiness of the molded part. If the Rapido truck was unpainted it would probably be closer in quality to Kato.  Oc course the Rapido wheels are much finer than Kato wheels.



Here is a clever piece of engineering: The truck kingpin is keyed!  So the only way to install the truck is with the brake cylinders facing the correct direction. That is cool!



Moving onto the interior, it is also cleverly engineered. The outside end walls are painted maroon and have door detail molded on them. That's what is visible through the opening in the diaphragm. The door "glass" is glued in from the inside of the wall and it is also functions as the retainer for the lighting circuit board.  Since the circuit board is held by the interior (which is then snapped into the under frame), modifying it to use track power will be quite easy.  The interior color is not quite right in that photo - viewed in-person it is quite a bit darker brown color.



The restroom details are nicely done, but that is something which will never be seen.  However, those areas are perfect hiding place for anti-flicker capacitors. I also noticed the very thick layer of paint. But I guess that is not a real problem since nobody will be be looking at it that closely.

For several reasons I do not like battery-powered illumination in my N scale cars.  For me, track power is the only way to go.  But several years ago I did buy one Easy-Peasy lighting unit, just to see how it was made.  Back then the feature touted was that it had a correct color depicting the fluorescent lights in many passenger cars.  The lighting unit had 2two flat 5mm LEDs on each end shining into a clear plastic diffuser. Sort of like most other contemporary lighting units from other manufacturers, even going back to the early days of N scale.  I was not impressed. As far as the color of the light goes, it was produced by white LEDs with a fairly strong green tint. I have never seen any fluorescent lights that color. Maybe the real cars had greenish light shades over the tubes, or maybe that was the color showing through green-tinted windows of many passenger cars from the '50s? I don't know, but it didn't look very realistic to me.



Well, it looks like Rapido has revamped their Easy-Peasy lights. The current one uses 5 tiny (SMD 0603 size) LEDs. They are fairly bright and have a pleasant warmish-white color.  Much improved from the original units.  Looks like I'll be keeping the circuit board, but eliminate the battery power.  Once I draw up a schematic and a parts list I'll post that info in another thread.  My design will also feature the anti-flicker circuit.



Here is a closeup of the electronics on the light board.  Most of this stuff will be discarded on the track-powered version.



This is what the lighting looks like. Like Bryan Bussey mentioned, the light is fairly evenly distributed, and not too bright.

EDIT: Since Bryan B. mentioned it: kudos to Rapido for using Micro-Trains couplers and for providing 2 mounting locations for it (close-coupled or extended for tight curves).

Overall, in my opinion this car is not quite of Kato-like quality (things like the thickness of paint, mold design, and the overall parts engineering), but I am very happy with my purchase and I would not hesitate to recommend these models to others. Yes, this car has lots of extra fiddly-bits added on, it is not a Kato. I'm a big fan of Kato and Micro-Trains models and not afraid to say it. And if me comparing this or other models to Kato or MT annoys anybody, I'm sorry, but that is what I like to do.
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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #1 on: July 16, 2016, 03:23:27 AM »
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One minor additional observation — the couplers have two mounting holes, so the models are capable (shudder!) of running on 9¾" radius track if the couplers are moved out.  To Rapido's credit, the couplers are mounted in the inner hole for more realistic coupler distance.

I definitely will be awaiting your track-powered-lighting thread.  I don't know if I will be illuminating all of mine, but it would be nice to light one of the kitbashed smokers and the club cars.  I hope you keep the reed switch in the circuit for easy on-off functionality.

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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2016, 05:18:16 AM »
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One minor additional observation — the couplers have two mounting holes, so the models are capable (shudder!) of running on 9¾" radius track if the couplers are moved out.  To Rapido's credit, the couplers are mounted in the inner hole for more realistic coupler distance.

You're right - I forgot to mention that. Another example of Rapido's clever engineering.

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I definitely will be awaiting your track-powered-lighting thread.  I don't know if I will be illuminating all of mine, but it would be nice to light one of the kitbashed smokers and the club cars.  I hope you keep the reed switch in the circuit for easy on-off functionality.

Well, no. I contemplated several different options.  But to get a really good anti-flicker functionality I decided to just hardwired the LEDs to be on.  The other thing is that the reed switch is just an input to a chip which toggles the lights on or off. The reed switch is momentary - like a push-button.  So anytime the power is interrupted, the chip resets to an off state.   It made more sense to me to just eliminate the switching circuit.
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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2016, 10:01:34 AM »
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Reed switch to on/off chip, that makes sense. Is it possible to have a large enough pair of capacitors hidden in the bathrooms to avoid tripping The on/off chip? Something that where the lights would run for a good five seconds or so if track power is cut? Technically, the bathroom fixtures aren't needed at all, as they can't be seen as you noted in your review. Milling out the fixtures provides some extra space.

I really like the reed/momentary switch functionality. I remember decades ago when people were adding lanterns to the back of cabooses for our club shows and using capacitors to keep the bulbs(!) steady and unflickering. But the cabooses would have to be put to the side for 10 minutes after session so that the capacitors would drain and the bulbs would cool down.

The bathroom situation reminds me of another observation — the window treatments vary on the schemes. Seems the older schemes such as the B&M and the green NH cars have the vertical treatments, while some of the newer schemes such as the Black Knights have just the whited-out windows. Also some cars have the a/c roof-access hatches and some don't. The undec cars come with the hatches in the box. My only wish regarding the model is that they had included the hatch detail on the deco'd cars along with the air hoses in the bottom of the box.
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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #4 on: July 16, 2016, 10:56:17 PM »
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Oh man, even though the windows aren't 100% correct for the Lehigh Valley Osgoods, I'm really tempted to pick up a couple undecs...

Nice review!

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« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2016, 02:47:23 AM »
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              :| Peteski, A very nice review. Thanks! Nate Goodman (Nato).  :|

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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2016, 11:13:57 AM »
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Excellent review Peteski. Well done. 8)

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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2016, 04:14:48 PM »
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Thanks for the review...  They seem to be selling out so hopefully the 8600's will be done, which for me personally are of more interest having been very common south and west of NYC on PC trains. 

I don't recall NH or PC O-B cars showing up often or at all on former PRR routes in PC-era,  though I could be wrong?

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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2016, 06:07:29 PM »
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I don't recall NH or PC O-B cars showing up often or at all on former PRR routes in PC-era,  though I could be wrong?

They tended to stay N.J. - north in commuter service because of their high seating capacity.
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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2016, 10:51:21 PM »
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They tended to stay N.J. - north in commuter service because of their high seating capacity.

Interesting...  Have to look through my NY&LB photos.....

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2016, 05:15:11 PM »
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Oh man, even though the windows aren't 100% correct for the Lehigh Valley Osgoods, I'm really tempted to pick up a couple undecs...

Not to discourage you by any means but keep in mind that it was more than just the number of windows that made the LV cars different.  They were specifically built with streamlined flat ends, not the tapered ends on all the other cars.  Depending on how much work you would want to invest in them the end results could be quite stunning if the changes were made.  Even as is I don't think any would fault you if you simply used the cars as is... its your railroad and you can do as you want... but I thought I would mention this because the cars were so unique.

Would you be using the fancier paint scheme?  That would be something of very great value overall to have...

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Re: Rapido Osgood-Bradley Cars - a quick review
« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2016, 02:24:12 AM »
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WOW! The upgraded version of the EP lightboard is amazing! When did they start making them like that? I still have a few of the original green-glow "model T" versions, some in the first Rapido cars I bought. I've got to write them to see if I can replace the old green LEDs on those boards with golden-white ones, unless somebody here has already figured out what the replacements are.