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modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« on: March 22, 2016, 10:49:11 AM »
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I've acquired a number of the excellent Kato E8/8 unit drives to use as power for various ATSF E3/E6 projects, and was fortunate enough to come by a couple of Factory painted units for Santa Fe (later release with improved paint-numberboards, kick plates, builders' plates).
The units are beautiful OOB but don't accurately represent the Santa Fe E8m (rebuilt from the original Amos and Andy and E1s), in that, the Santa Fe units didn't have dynamic brakes. (the trucks used were original E unit trucks and also differ, slightly, from the Kato E8/9 trucks).
At the time, Kato did not make the particular body shell that featured the combination that represents the ATSF units- 'freight pilot', two headlights, no dynamic brakes. (they do now; the latest release for IC now features this configuration). One hopes that Kato will, one day, re-release the ATSF paint scheme on this new body shell.




 I would, indeed like to have a couple of these units in my 1957-era fleet (running on some of the local and shorter and connecting routes), so I'm beginning the process that will allow me to have more accurate ATSF versions from pre-painted Kato shells.

 As with all of the E/F units (except the FTs) in my 1957 era, Santa Fe modified the pilots for air and trainline hoses, so these were cut out and added, using BLMA parts (where are we going to source these now that Atlas owns BLMA?- glad I acquired many multiples of these sets in addition to the brass Precision Scale versions!) I also added photo-etched windshield wipers and decal windshield shades



To my eye, the biggest modification I could make to mark this as an ATSF unit, was to remove the dynamic brake fan and housing...
so that was the next procedure.
 I did want to try to use the fan for some late model F units, so I removed the entire housing rather than 'covering' the area with styrene.
Here, I've drilled holes in the corners, then masked the surrounding area to protect it from inadvertent xacto blade 'slippage'





Then I lightly scored from hole to hole, using multiple light passes to completely remove the panel...



then I cut a piece of Evergreen styrene to fit the square opening; using Tamiya extra thin cement to secure it to the open area. I made sure to glue the piece in such a way to have some protruding above the surrounding roofline (it's much easier to remove this excess than to attempt to fill a depression without damaging the surrounding rivet detail)





there are very small gaps that must be filled before painting to match the surrounding roof, but I first scraped a very sharp Xacto blade across the piece, blending into the roofline...helping to reduce the amount of sanding that will come next. I'll paint  some Mr Surfacer into the small gaps, then sand flush after masking the surrounding rivet detail.

 



You can also see that I removed the molded steps in anticipation of replacing these with GMM etched versions...
Much more to come...
PE cut levers
diaphragms
PE lift rings
two single chime 'Blat' horns to replace the multi-chime horn
and a renumbering to "80"

Thanks for looking,
Bruce

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2016, 03:11:57 PM »
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Definitely looking good!!!

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2016, 04:42:55 PM »
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Looking great so far!

It absolutely amuses me that ATSF decided to use most roads main passenger power for their locals, while the smaller stuff ended up on the pride of the fleet.

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 05:17:51 PM »
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Looking great so far!

It absolutely amuses me that ATSF decided to use most roads main passenger power for their locals, while the smaller stuff ended up on the pride of the fleet.

I believe this had more to do with the units NOT having dynamic braking...they did power some longer route trains, along with the E3/6 fleet. They just weren't assigned to the Transcon pool, whereas the PA's, which DID have dynamic braking continued to be seen on certain Transcon trains right up to their useful life.
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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 05:48:11 PM »
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Ahh, makes sense.

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 08:18:30 PM »
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Nice clean work so far!

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 01:41:16 AM »
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 :D looks great!! Definitely causes an itch to model the Santa Fe in the 50s though!
Must resist.... Must stick with 90s SF power...

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2016, 10:21:14 AM »
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@Ed Kapuscinski @arbomambo

The E8s did serve in more than local service. They were used on the #7, 8 Fast Mail, at least on the eastern portion of the system.

http://santafe.gmbus.com/PassengerDieselAssignment1957/PassengerDieselAssignment1957.htm shows them in the same Argentine pool with the #s 11-15 E3/E6 units with assignment to the Fast Mail and the Chicagoan to Chicago in September 1957. (I think the E3-6s were assigned to the Chicagoan.)
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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2016, 06:43:33 PM »
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ATSF had the same issues with traction in the mountains as great northern did with the A1A truck.
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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2016, 07:26:24 PM »
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ATSF had the same issues with traction in the mountains as great northern did with the A1A truck.

Seems kinda logical though, because the A1A truck (three-axle) has as many powered axles as a B truck (two axle) but spreads the weight out with that idler axle.

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #10 on: March 25, 2016, 06:51:10 PM »
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Seems kinda logical though, because the A1A truck (three-axle) has as many powered axles as a B truck (two axle) but spreads the weight out with that idler axle.

DFF

That is it exactly. Also why they made more use of the Alcos PA unit.
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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2016, 08:52:14 AM »
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as on the Fast Mail here!


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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2016, 10:15:25 AM »
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Bruce, Looking GREAT as always!!!!!! are those the BLMA train line hoses that you are using on the front?, I think I have one or two packs I may need to follow your lead. I was busy on the trains at the end of the year with a visiting operating group, but it was back on the hot rod to get ready for the spring driving time. I have Caddy58 visiting today before heading home tomorrow, so it run trains today and cruise the car tonight, not a bad combination. Gordon

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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2016, 10:39:15 AM »
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Gordon,
yes...those are the BLMA trainline hoses, along with the photo-etched mu hoses that accompany their ultimate E/F unit detail set...with BLMA being 'no mas', We'll have to source the Precision Scale brass version of the trainline hoses...
 Do ya'll ever make it down to the 'Cruising the Coast" event in Coastal Mississippi?
Bruce
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Re: modelling an ATSF E8m using Kato's excellent E8/9
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2016, 12:33:30 PM »
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Funny, the red bonnet in that photo looks very orangey on my screen.  I'm used to seeing deeper, darker reds. Nice model though.
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