P&LE with NYC logo info

[JoeD]

Hey guys.

Doing research for some open hoppers with the P&LE and they have the NYC shield on the far right side.  Can someone give me info on why the NYC shield is on the car...I have a huge pile of work to do today and hoping I can get a hand on this one.  I'm sure this will be obvious to someone.

Thanks tons

Joe
MTL

[Ed Kapuscinski]

The NYC controlled it for most of the 20th century: http://nycshs.blogspot.com/2008/09/pittsburgh-lake-erie-railroad.html

[JoeD]

Thank you very much.  We are lacking in P&LE stuff...

best

Joe

[Chris333]

Yep. A lot of P&LE steam said "NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM" big on the tender with a small "p&le" above it:
http://www.glacierparkmodels.com/P&LE-Berks.html

[Ed Kapuscinski]

They also did a weird thing with their diesels where they were green, but lettered like an NYC diesel.

[Rich_S]

Joe,
   Please produce independent era (1976 - 1993) P&LE equipment to go along with P&LE equipment you've already produced like the ex-Conrail GP38's and MP15DC's. Some examples:









And we really need one of these in "N" scale.





Thanks in advance,

[Chris333]

NO  your eyes are sleepy    you want to do this car:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37314.jpg

[brokemoto]

NO  your eyes are sleepy    you want to do this car:
http://www.canadasouthern.com/caso/images/p&le-37314.jpg

...in a runner pack, please...........

[brokemoto]

Yep. A lot of P&LE steam said "NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM" big on the tender with a small "p&le" above it:
http://www.glacierparkmodels.com/P&LE-Berks.html

Yes, you are, especially for the era when it was under NYC control.

[Rich_S]

No, No, No, We need a bunch of these as well



  

[brokemoto]

They also did a weird thing with their diesels where they were green, but lettered like an NYC diesel.

One glaring exception was the H-9; they lacked the P&LE sublettering on the coal boards.

The H-9 was a USRA heavy 2-8-2.  On the entire NYCS, only the P&LE had them.  Rarely did they go off-line, even to other parts of the NYCS.

[brokemoto]

They also did a weird thing with their diesels where they were green, but lettered like an NYC diesel.

The freight power was painted Pacemaker Green with the usual lightning stripes.  The words NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM were spelled out on the locomotive. 
The switchers were Pacemaker Green without stripes and NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM spelled out on the locomotive.
The passenger power was NYCS Passenger Dark Grey.  On the passenger GP-7s, NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM was spelled out on the locomotive.  P&LE sublettering was under the road number on the cab.
On the PAs, NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM was spelled out on the stripes.  P&LE sublettering was over the road number.

I was so surprised the BLI did not do any P&LE PAs.  Every manufacturer of N scale power out there has done PAs.  All of them did New York Central.   Here was BLI's chance to do something different.  They failed.   No one has done a P&LE PA.

When the order came down from 230 Park Avenue, in 1957,  to go to the "Cigar Band" scheme, P&LE kept the Pacemaker Green, but took off the stripes.  The NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM remained.  The PAs never did lose their stripes.

The passenger GP-7s went to plain Passenger Dark Grey.

#5683 had  a special paint scheme applied to it, temporarily.

[Chris333]

[glakedylan]

http://www.glacierparkmodels.com/P&LE-Berks.html

is that a keystone number plate on 9401 or just a red background on circle/oval?

just wondering

get to railfan P&LE when I visit family

Gary

[brokemoto]

http://www.glacierparkmodels.com/P&LE-Berks.html

is that a keystone number plate on 9401 or just a red background on circle/oval?

That is a red NYCS herald.  They came from ALCo with one.  Jack Polartiz wrote an informative book on these things.  If there is anyone still alive who knows anything about the P&LE, it would be Jack Polaritz.  In addition, he wrote a book about the P&LE mikdaos, which is informative, as well.  Jack Polaritz did announce a book in the works about P&LE passenger power, but it has yet to appear.

The advertisement in your link mentions a "passenger version",  Funny, Jack Polaritz does not mention in his book that these things ever worked passenger trains or that they had steam lines and signalling devices.   There were either two or four H-9s (USRA heavy 2-8-2) that P&LE did equip with steam lines and signalling devices.  Supposedly, this was to allow them to haul crew shuttles, but, I suspect that more than one H-9 did work a passenger train when no Pacifics or Hudsons were available.

There was only one on-line turntable in the Pittsburgh area that could accomodate these things.  I forget if it was at McKee's Rocks, or where.  At Gateway, they had to be turned on an Erie wye.  P&LE would let at least three of them pile up at Gateway so that they could be turned as a single train to keep down trackage rights fees.   If they ever did work passenger service, I would suspect that Erie would have a turntable large enough for them in Cleveland and NYC would have one in Buffalo.   P&LE passenger power often ran through to Cleveland or Buffalo, even during the steam era (as did Erie and NYC, appropriately).

And yes, ALCo did deliver these things with Pacemaker Green paint.

Funny, just before they showed up on P&LE property, Fairbanks-Morse had demonstrated a few diesel models on the P&LE.  The results of those demonstrations convinced P&LE that they did not want the A-2a, they wanted diesels----and these were amoung the most unreliable and maintenance hungry diesels then on the market.  It gives you an idea of how expensive it was to keep steam locomotives in service.