Did Southern Have Any 40' Modern BoxCars (Short Ladders/No Roofwalks) ???

[Kisatchie]

Does anyone know if Southern had any 40' modern box cars w/short ladders/no roofwalks, like these:

http://brooklynlocomotiveworks.com/mt-24000.htm

Photos would be great if they had any.

Thanks for any replies.


Hmm... surely they had
at least one...

[wcfn100]

Yeah, tons (unless I'm confused with the term 'modern')









Jason

[Kisatchie]

Thanks! That's great! Just what I was hoping for.


Hmm... I'm hoping Kiz
won't forget to give me
supper tonight...

[Kisatchie]

I am also interested in 40' Box Cars for Southern that have full length ladders although the roofwalks are gone.

Any photos? Anyone?


Hmm... not me...

[John]

I am also interested in 40' Box Cars for Southern that have full length ladders although the roofwalks are gone.

Any photos? Anyone?


Hmm... not me...

why don't you visit the site that was used for the images presented .. I'm sure you can find some examples there with a little bit of looking.

www.rr-fallenflags.org

[wcfn100]

I am also interested in 40' Box Cars for Southern that have full length ladders although the roofwalks are gone.

That isn't gong to be so common.  Some cars with roof hatches retained their roof walks and full ladders beyond the cut off dates and some went to half ladders on the sides but full in the ends.

Usually the roof walks went at the same time the ladders were cut.  But that isn't to say it's not possible.  I'm pretty sure I've seen examples of it (but not for the Southern specifically).

Jason

[nkalanaga]

In most cases, when the roofwalk was removed, the A end ladders were shortened.  Many roads left the B end ladders full height, and the brake wheel mounted near the roof, rather than go to the work of moving it.  Shortening the ladders was simple, cut the vertical members and unbolt the top half.  Don't forget the "No Roofwalk" stencil near the full-height side ladder(s) if the roofwalk is removed.

Cars with the brake wheel lowered were, in many cases, also rebuilt or otherwise modified at the same time, and the extra work could be justified.

I have never seen a car with shortened ladders and a roofwalk.  All of the ones I've seen with roofwalks also kept the full-height ladders all around.  And, yes, if it has roof hatches, it will have a roofwalk, just like a covered hopper.

In N scale, especially on cars with cast-on ladders, shortening the end ladders is a real pain.  Many of my "modernized" cars have full-height ladders at both ends, and stencils on both sides.  I doubt that there were many prototypes for those.

[Iain]

The original NS rebuilt several 40' gondolas into modern looking high-cube box cars that had short ladders and no roofwalks that I assume wound up on the Southern after the merger.  Photos in the new NS book.

[nkalanaga]

I've heard of boxcars being converted to gondolas/chip cars, but never a gon becoming a boxcar.  There really is a prototype for anything....

[Spikre]

 
   Jason,
    nice pics,they finally came in here.
   Sou 29616 must be renumbered wrong,or a wreck replacement
   as it has a "W" cornerpost,the other 29 series cars have "Square"
   end corners.
   it was common for shops to miss this sort of thing during a Rebuild
   Program like this series had.
   another common Shop mistake was numbering 2 cars with the same
  number,usually caught before the cars were put back in service.
   about 1968 2 EL 40' boxcars cars with the same number showed up on
  Western Pacific on the same day,but from different routes.calls to EL sorted
  that out,and WP renumbered one of the cars on EL Instructions.
  this made both Railroad Mag,as a drawing,and Trains a little later as
  a picture.
   N,
     in the 1940s Wabash built a series of 40' boxcars on obsolete 40'
  steel gondola underframes,they left the slight fishbelly on the cars,
  easy to pick out in Wabash boxcar pics.
        Kiz,
   You may want to look into some Southern Equipment books in the
  Morning Sun Book Line,they are in color.
     Spikre
       

[cv_acr]

   Sou 29616 must be renumbered wrong,or a wreck replacement
   as it has a "W" cornerpost,the other 29 series cars have "Square"
   end corners.
   it was common for shops to miss this sort of thing during a Rebuild
   Program like this series had.

It's not uncommon for a rebuild program to draw similar cars from multiple different original series either. As long as the major dimensions are similar, little variations like that don't matter to the railroad.

[Spikre]

 
  Cris,
    in this case the Southern car seems to be either a mistake,or fill in
   for a wrecked car.
    will look for the Roster of Southern 1937 AAR cars that's here some
  where.
   the Roster lists the Car numbers where the Square Corners cars ended,
   and the "W" Ends took over,seemed to be in the middle of an on going
   order.
   the Southern rebuilt PS-1 could be a wreck replacement,or part of PS-1
  upgrade program.
   You are correct with many car rebuild series,they just gathered up similar
   cars .this sometimes happened under contract with firms like USRA/EVANS,
   Sieco,and even Thrall.
      Spikre
       

[nkalanaga]

Spikre:  Maybe it was more common than I thought.  I'm sure the GN never tried it, but that's the only road I have much information on.

[cv_acr]

  Cris,
    in this case the Southern car seems to be either a mistake,or fill in
   for a wrecked car.
    will look for the Roster of Southern 1937 AAR cars that's here some
  where.
   the Roster lists the Car numbers where the Square Corners cars ended,
   and the "W" Ends took over,seemed to be in the middle of an on going
   order.
   the Southern rebuilt PS-1 could be a wreck replacement,or part of PS-1
  upgrade program.
   You are correct with many car rebuild series,they just gathered up similar
   cars .this sometimes happened under contract with firms like USRA/EVANS,
   Sieco,and even Thrall.
      Spikre
       

I don't think 8' doors were very common on 1937 10' cars. These cars all appear to have nice large replacement 8' doors, reinforced drop side sills and lowered brake hardware. This definitely looks like a series of rebuilt cars from various original groups, and the ends and other details may not be fully consistent through the entire batch. I don't know how that makes it a "mistake".

[Spikre]

 
   Cris,
    the cars seem to be refurbished under their Original Numbers.
   so if it isn't a car out of order,they made a mistake at the shop
   doing the Program.
   Square Cornered 29769, has a higher number than "W" cornered
            29616,should be the other way around.
   or 29616 has been pulled from the 30xxx series ?
  29599 seems to be correct and lower numbered than 29616.
   will do some more digging on this,more pics need to be looked
   at for the as built cars.
     Spikre