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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #105 on: September 03, 2013, 11:33:04 PM »
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With the interaction of the cab roof and tender height being so prominent on a steam engine, have you verified that the locomotive and tender together look OK with the lowered tender?

Well, um, sure I did... yeah, that's the ticket.    :P

Actually, no, I did NOT think about this and I'm glad you brought it up.  Luckily....

According to my drawings:
Top of the tender water tank should be 150" above the railhead.  Mine is 153"
Top of cab roof should be  180" above the railhead.   Mine is (drumroll).... 180"   I swear I'm not making this up.

So, I guess I win the "lucky" prize for today!    Of course, they are just shoved together in this photo.
I've done nothing yet to attach the tender or set the engine/tender separation.


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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #106 on: September 03, 2013, 11:44:20 PM »
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What are your plans for hiding that screw holding the tender body to the frame?
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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #107 on: September 04, 2013, 04:00:20 AM »
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What are your plans for hiding that screw holding the tender body to the frame?

I mentioned that in the photo set.  That screw is located away from the center of the body for a reason.  That is the exact location where the walkway will be on top of the water tank, and the water hatch, will be exactly where that screw is.    The water hatch should hide the screw.


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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #108 on: September 04, 2013, 04:30:17 AM »
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At least for the VC-16 that the tender is a model of, the truck width is pretty close and the daylight under the tender is also there on the real thing. I know it looks better with somesort of view block but the tender, at least as a VC-16 is right.

http://www.kohs.com/Images/K3/K3_lf_side_2305_2.jpg

I have a shot of a Mikado with a VC-16 crossing a bridge with nothing but daylight behind it that really shows how high they sat. I don't have it anywhere to upload and can't find the same shot on the net. In the conversion, do what looks right. I really believe that proper proportions and look should come before hard measurements in our scale. Sometimes fudging looks and feels more right than the hard facts.

Thank you for this bit of research, Tony.  I agree.  Sometimes, it just "looks better", even if it isn't strictly prototypical.
As I have now discovered, since I know that I have the body diameter right (110 scale inches vs 112 actual prototype), and the
total height is almost dead-on, I probably "guessed right" by lowering the body.


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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #109 on: September 04, 2013, 05:08:15 AM »
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What I filled in was just all the notches in the frame made to run on 8" (I guess) The frame hung down in the center of the tender, but above the trucks it was notched out so you saw light through there. I just fixed that. I didn't lower anything.

Before:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/Misc#5919691599693576274

After:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/Misc#5919691593769874866

Bad photos I know...

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #110 on: September 04, 2013, 05:27:08 AM »
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Slightly better photos. The 905 coupler is after, boxing glove is before:
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/Misc#5919696119760563698
https://picasaweb.google.com/ErieChris333/Misc#5919696114819772226
There is more frame filling done where the draw-bar fits. When I was done it would make it around 10"R with no problems.

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #111 on: September 04, 2013, 09:38:22 AM »
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According to my drawings:
Top of the tender water tank should be 150" above the railhead.  Mine is 153"
Top of cab roof should be  180" above the railhead.   Mine is (drumroll).... 180"   I swear I'm not making this up.

So, I guess I win the "lucky" prize for today!    Of course, they are just shoved together in this photo.
I've done nothing yet to attach the tender or set the engine/tender separation.

Nice!

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #112 on: September 04, 2013, 11:24:27 AM »
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does she still live there?

(In reference to : SP&S 2-8-2 #539 that was displayed in Battle Ground, WA was former NP W-3, #1762.  It was purchased by The Grand Canyon Rwy. folks and shipped to AZ.)


She does, but she is kept in the back behind the shops. Right next to her are two ex Northern Pacific slumbercoaches. You can see the Northern Pacific on one of the cars. I am trying to find someone that will let me back there to get photos. I see them everyday when I go by there on the transcon.
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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #113 on: October 01, 2013, 01:53:56 AM »
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Hello everyone.  Here is the next installment in my SP&S #626 4-6-2 project.

There are a lot of different little subsections this time that are seemingly unconnected.  But they are connected.
My next major milestone on this project is to get all the mechanical pieces done.  By "mechanical", I mean
anything that can affect or interfere with the physical running of the model.  Now that I have all this done,
I can begin test-running the model and working out any problems before I start on all
the heavy detailing.

Here's a summary of the work completed in this installment:

1. Tender tail
2. Tender truck mounting and wiring with backup light in the tail
3. Tender front deck and oil bunker sides
All the above get the tender functioning mechanically and electrically.  It covers all the parts that
affect the tender coupler swing or the tender's affect on the engine via the drawbar
(and by potentially hitting the cab on curves)
4. Adjust drawbar length and height
5. Some very unpleasant rework on all of the above owing to the fact that after it was all done,
I realized that the tender bunker was sitting over a scale foot too low.
6. Lower firebox sides
7. Driver brake shoes

So away we go!

1. Tender Tail:

Some views of the finished back piece mounted on the tender come below, in the section on wiring
and lighting the tender.





2. Tender Truck Mounting and Wiring, with Tail Light:















3. Tender front deck and oil bunker sides

The photo below is where things went horribly wrong with my tender, height-wise.  First, let me make it clear that
the ride height on the trucks is fine and the water tank section of the tender is at exactly the correct height
within a few scale inches.  However, that front deck, and the whole oil bunker, should be at about 82" above
the railhead, not 70". 

How did this happen?

Well, the GN 4-6-2 from whence this engine came existed in two minor variants.  One had a deck height of about 70"
and a cab floor to match.  On that version, the engine running boards actually make a step down as they move along toward the cab.
The other variation had the cab raised by about a foot, with completely straight running boards, and a tender
deck raised up to match.  The prototype drawings I have (which are for the GN engine) show the lower cab
version, but there are notations on the blue prints explaining the heights for the version "with raised cab".

The SP&S #626 is one of the raised cab engines, and I noted this when I built the engine, so it has straight walkways
and a higher cab.  But I overlooked that this mattered when I built the tender.   So there you go.

You'll see below how I built it, realized my mistake, and then raised everything.  I wanted to leave all this in, because I think
it is all part of the journey I am trying to share with everyone.  Victor Miranda once said (and I paraphrase here), that if you aren't prepared to make the same part over many times, you shouldn't be doing this.

I agree.

And now, on with the project...






















4. Adjust drawbar length and height











I was just having some fun when I made up this next picture.  But it was this picture that revealed my
tender mistake.  After I was away from it for a little while, I looked back and realized that there should be
one clean continuous line along the walkways, under the cab, and along the bottom edge of the oil
bunker.  But my bunker had an obvious "step down" to it.




5. Tender Rework/Raising

Actually, the tender itself is fine.  But that bunker and whole front area need to come up about a foot.
The top of the oil bunker actually hovers a little above the cab roof on the prototype!
So, I sliced everything off, remade front deck parts, moved the steps, and glued everything back together.
Here's a broad range of shot angles showing the interim state of the engine after that.











After shake-down running, I'll see if I have more clearance than I actually need between that cab roof and the bunker.
If I do, I'll close up the spacing between the engine and tender.  If not, a cab deck plate and some curtains will
still help close up the gap.




6. Lower Firebox Sides



















7. Brake Shoes

This is always a delicate task.  I have used Gold Medal Models etched brass brake shoes several times now, and each
time I do it, I learn a better way to attach them.  I spent a lot of photos on this part because these are tricky
to install, but add huge realism to an engine, so they are well worth it.















Now, the hard one begins...


















That's it for this time.  Next, I will solder leads across from tender to engine,
and run it for a good number of hours to shake out any mechanical problems before starting on the next big phase:
detailing the boiler.
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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #114 on: October 01, 2013, 02:35:20 AM »
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Man I couldn't sleep so went over to the computer to find this, the perfect late night snack!

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #115 on: October 01, 2013, 02:39:41 AM »
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Another very informative update, with lots of clever solutions.  I am however pondering your use of JB Weld for repeatedly building up the plastic tender back.  I use JB Weld only in few instances, when I need a very strong bond.  It is a pain to use as it takes many hours to harden.  Why use such a strong material for simply decorative purpose, bonded to a styrene part (which is probably much weaker and softer than the JB Weld)?  Why couldn't you just have used one of many other materials to build up that area?

Couple of items that come to mind are Milliput Epoxy Putty, multiple applications of CA glue with accelerator or even just gluing a piece of styrene, then shaping it to blend in with the tender. Either of these methods would have been much faster (than waiting for JB Weld to cure - twice!).
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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #116 on: October 01, 2013, 03:29:46 AM »
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Another very informative update, with lots of clever solutions.  I am however pondering your use of JB Weld for repeatedly building up the plastic tender back.  I use JB Weld only in few instances, when I need a very strong bond.  It is a pain to use as it takes many hours to harden.  Why use such a strong material for simply decorative purpose, bonded to a styrene part (which is probably much weaker and softer than the JB Weld)?  Why couldn't you just have used one of many other materials to build up that area?

Couple of items that come to mind are Milliput Epoxy Putty, multiple applications of CA glue with accelerator or even just gluing a piece of styrene, then shaping it to blend in with the tender. Either of these methods would have been much faster (than waiting for JB Weld to cure - twice!).

Heh... I am up late as well, Chris! 
Actually, Peteski, I first tried just solvent cement and some styrene first.  It turns out that Bachmann shell isn't made
of meltable styrene.   It isn't Delrin, but whatever it is, even stronger stuff like Ambroid Pro Weld would not fuse to it.
I thought about putty.  But then I thought, heck, I'm in no rush.  A little JB, I'll sand it tomorrow, apply a little more,
and then sand it for the final shape.  Yep, it took a couple of over-nights to wait for it to harden, but there was
plenty to do on this engine in the meantime.

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #117 on: October 01, 2013, 11:07:29 AM »
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Yeah, that Bachmann plastic is weird stuff isn't it? I found out styrene cement has no effect on it when I was cutting up the cab on my 44 tonner project. I like your way of using walthers Goo in combination with ACC, recently I found an amazing type of CA by Gorilla glue, its their "impact tough" formula with built in rubber, and it holds better than anything I've ever used, especially on non-porous surfaces. Incredible work on this project, its a real inspiration. Keep it up!

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #118 on: October 01, 2013, 10:38:52 PM »
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Looking good Max!

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Re: SP&S 4-6-2 #626 Project
« Reply #119 on: October 01, 2013, 10:45:37 PM »
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Max, I've said it before but you are truly an artist. Outstanding documentation as well.

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