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Philips Hue Lighting System
« on: March 27, 2013, 12:53:01 PM »
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A few here know I've been playing with effects lighting for the soon-to-be-layout. The new Apple/Philips Hue Lighting System popped-up on my radar. This is a system of programmable-color LED bulbs in a medium-base (standard screw-in) form factor, controlled wirelessly via an internet bridge "puck" that connects to your Wi-Fi router and talks to an iPhone/iPad app via that router. The bridge device can control up to 50 bulbs. It is currently an Apple Store-exclusive product.

So... I bit. A starter package arrived yesterday. Friggin' amazing. This will vastly simplify my lighting plan.

1. First impression... it's pricey. $60/bulb. Ouch. With that out of the way...

2. Once I figured-out that the bridge had to plug into the Wi-Fi router (and not my managed LAN), it started right up and connected with the bulbs. The iPhone app found the bridge, and voila!, I was controlling bulbs.

3. Emphasis is personal household uses, more along the lines of mood lighting. They are rated at 600 lumens - roughly a 60W incandescent equivalent. In testing I found this to be about right - reading was comfortable with the bulb set to a warm-ish white.

4. Color gamut is good but not great. It does not have a good green, and true blue comes-up a little short. Red and indigo to purple are nice and rich. The gamut is the green triangle in this CIE diagram:



That said, lighting applications for illumination uses and MRR effects really doesn't have much call for green. So this works. My objective of sunset/rise transitions and indigo nights will work perfectly.

5. The Philips iPhone software controls the bulbs and bulb groups fairly well manually. The software allows timed sequences, but control there is minimum, with fade in/out rates of 0, 3 or 9 minutes. I did find the fades to be a little abrupt in starting and stopping, turning on at ~25% and then fading into full value for the scene levels.

5a. There is one MacOS app available, and it's very buggy. I got it to work once, and it crashed during testing, and then would never connect with bulbs thereafter. It wasn't the Mac or the network, as I was still able to control the bulbs from my Mac using the API debug interface.

6. The API interface is where we are going to need to work. This stuff is too new to have seen much development work for apps other than basic consumer controls. The control scheme, by the way, is not Mac-specific, but uses conventional JSON architecture, so it should only be a matter of time before other developers put together Win or even micro-PC interfaces (Raspberry comes to mind!).

7. A minor issue is the system assumes that power to the bulb is on all the time. Turning power off and then on resets the bulb state to a default of a warm white around 3500K, at 90% intensity. So the bulbs lack "persistence" - you cannot set the levels, turn off the circuit and then turn everything on expecting things to be where you left them. I think this is by design as there are possible ambiguities in choosing a power-on default scheme.

8. Though I'm not in any way a serious photog, I think the Hue system has great potential for the model photographer. The raw color control inputs (versus the "scene" presets) feature a color temperature input separate from the color gamut display.

9. I already inquired of Philips whether there would be other bulb types, such as PAR formats. They replied there are plans to release other form factors, and will announce a schedule on meethue.com.


Frankly, most will find the cost off-putting. However, relative to what I was building with stage lighting components and controllers in my large space, the components costs are a wash, with wiring complexity reduced by 80%. Since my general layout lighting was based on Halo-compatible track lighting anyway (read: "cheap Lowes parts"), when Philips releases PAR-format bulbs I can add those to the plan and improve the setup without having to do anything more than change or add track heads. Sign me up!

[I'll try to get photos of tests in the next couple of days. I'll have to move some of my network stuff to the studio to make it happen, so it's not a small task.]
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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 01:07:35 PM »
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Very very interested in seeing this in application  :drool:
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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 07:16:21 PM »
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Mike,

Have you also considered using "addressable" RGB LED strips? Just this last week, some folks posted a neat breakout board for controlling LED strips from the Raspberry Pi:

https://metalab.at/wiki/WS2801_Raspberry_Pi_Bridge

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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 08:35:06 PM »
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Have you also considered using "addressable" RGB LED strips? ...

Actually, have worked with the strips for many years. They don't stack up in the application I'm working on (a large space), and "classic" RGB results in a distorted color gamut generally poor in white and yellow renditions. So you still end up having to run separate whites. In theater-grade lighting, the emerging LED source preference is RGBAW, the amber and white (usually ~3000K) filling in the holes in the RGB-only gamut, but at the moment it's not for the budget-minded.
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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 09:30:58 PM »
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Actually, have worked with the strips for many years. They don't stack up in the application I'm working on (a large space), and "classic" RGB results in a distorted color gamut generally poor in white and yellow renditions. So you still end up having to run separate whites. In theater-grade lighting, the emerging LED source preference is RGBAW, the amber and white (usually ~3000K) filling in the holes in the RGB-only gamut, but at the moment it's not for the budget-minded.

Got it.  The HO Club I'm a member of installed NCE's LED lighting system which basically an "unlisted" product.  Jim used Red, Blue, and 2X Warm White LEDs:

http://www.x2011west.org/handouts/LED-Lighting.pdf

The whole rig is actually DCC-controllable, but we have not yet hooked it into JMRI or another application.

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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 10:27:29 PM »
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Thanks for the PDF, Dave! That's a great system and a good presentation, too. Well-designed.

The challenge I am facing is a big space with high ceilings, and I'm trying to keep the auditorium-like feel intact by not closing-in the layout with soffit lighting. I'm drawing some of the inspiration for the lighting plan from the display HO layout in Greeley, CO, though certainly on a smaller scale (N, to be more precise. Nyuk nyuk.). They use stage lighting components and do a good job with their large space.

Anyway, I am thinking that the Hue system will be something other MRRs might want to consider because it does make deployment of color-managed layout lighting much simpler since you can use off-the-shelf home-improvement store lighting hardware.
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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2013, 12:32:23 PM »
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An update:

1) The Mac app, "Colors for Hue" released a new version this morning. It still had the problem I noted above, so I reset the bridge to factory settings, re-enabled everything, and for the time being it is working. Biggest problem at the moment is it won't recognize "new" bulbs until you restart the app.

2) After a couple of days of use, the power-on default of the bulbs I now perceive as a design flaw. You cannot mix the bulbs in the same switched circuit with conventional lighting since turning the regular lights off resets the Hue lights. So you're then stuck with controlling room lighting by a regular wall switch and then have to reach for your iPhone to restore your preferred Hue light setting(s). Clunky.

2a) There is no command in the API set to change this behavior. I was expecting a "persistence" parameter somewhere. Fortunately the control scheme allows for updating bulb firmware through the network, so hopefully this is a change that will be forthcoming.

3) A test setup revealed that the emitted light is too diffuse to expect to use for spot lighting, even with reflector fixtures.

4) The command system uses the ZigBee wireless protocol, which creates a network structure where commands for bulbs out of range of the bridge are repeated by bulbs in between. Cool solution, but the control delays from this are very obvious.
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Re: Philips Hue Lighting System
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2013, 05:46:30 PM »
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4) The command system uses the ZigBee wireless protocol, which creates a network structure where commands for bulbs out of range of the bridge are repeated by bulbs in between. Cool solution, but the control delays from this are very obvious.

The bulbs actually use IPv6 over 802.14.5 (6LowPAN).

Bummer about not saving the configuration— my guess is that is a firmware issue inside each bulb.  My guess is that the full reset is actually preferable to having the lightbulb firmware get "stuck" in a bad state.

-Dave