Weekend Update 3/17/13

[Ed Kapuscinski]

Seriously MC, you've gotta stop posting. You're making the rest of us look bad... lol.

[chicken45]

It's easy when you have THE SUN on your side! I haven't seen the sun in 2 weeks!

[Puddington]

Thanks for the newsprint info everyone. Chuck, the dowel was purchased today at Lowes. Four feet for .79.

Mike,

What do you think of the way the paper is being handled in the photo with the truck? It seems like these are stacked upright in the rail car and then turned with the clamp forklift. How could they load them on the truck this way? Seems like the clamp would be in the way. It looks like they are loading the last roll on the truck in this photo, but I don't get it.

Also, having grown up in Milwaukee, I can attest that the weather isn't always nice. Seems odd to move the paper on an open truck like this. I doubt that the newsprint wrap is waterproof. Thoughts?

The Milwaukee Journal used to print the comics section on green newsprint, called, wait for it, the Green Sheet. Made it way too easy to be a kid. Its surprising that I turned out as well as I did considering how this spoiled us. I may toss a couple of green rolls with torn covers in there someplace.

Best wishes, Dave

Best wishes, Dave

Ok Dave: A couple of paper handling terms first. Rolls are either shipped " on the butt" (sitting on their end) or on "the bilge" (on their side). Rolls are stored in a printing plant on their end, stacked as high as the roof and clamp truck capacity will allow. They are then spotted by the printer on their bilge and rolled into the printer and chucked on a transfer plate or other wheeled device.

Paper is loaded in boxcars in a multitude of patterns that incorporates both butt and bilge loading. Some facilities will only accept certain patterns, other times the height and length of the car would dictate the pattern and other times the roll width would be the key. Regardless the offloading plant would need to have a clamp or sword truck that could get in the car and handle the weight of the heaviest roll.!(a sword truck is used when only bilge loading smaller rolls that can be "stabbed" in the roll core.)

The picture you showed reminds me of a plant I saw where they moved rolls between buildings. You would never open transport newsprint like that; it is highly sensitive to even ambient moisture and you take great care to keep it moisture stable. ( we wrap it in a special coated wrapper paper now to allow it to retain a balanced moisture content)

I would suggest that for your era a 12-16,000 lb clamp truck would be the average needed. An average printer would use two to three to unload due to the JIT nature of paper deliveries, even back then. They would be dedicated to receiving with other trucks serving the presses.

Hope this helps.

[Lemosteam]

Cast just for you Joshua cut to fit and add a tube:





NOW GET TO WORK ON THAT LAYOUT!

[ednadolski]

Finished up a helix for my little Loop layout.   Here it is, with the test train still on it:



Just have to install it, and I'll be able to run trains longer than ~20 cars. 

Ed

[davidgray1974]

Wow guys! Alot of outstanding work by everyone this week.  I started this week by painting the rocks I installed last weekend.  Today I was able to get the rocks near the trestle added and will start painting this week.

Here are the pictures of the area around the trestle:



Here are pictures of the rocks I painted from last week:





Thanks for looking!

David

[nkalanaga]

Looks like Appalachia!

[PaulP]

Well I have been working on a couple of things for my farm scene
dirt and ground cover will come when I install it on the layout

Chicken coop and Pig pen
pigs are easy to come by but chickens?

I would like 20-25 of them....some carving....and maybe try casting some
will give it a try

Paul

[eja]

Chicken coop and Pig pen
pigs are easy to come by but chickens?

I would like 20-25 of them....some carving....and maybe try casting some
will give it a try

Paul

Chickens ???   http://www.enginehouseservices.com/products/CHICKENS-_-NEAL%27S-N_GAUGING-TRAINS-_-N-Scale.html

[SkipGear]

Probably the last batch of these I build since FVM's announcement a month or so ago....

[peteski]

Helicon rocks.
Now just have to figure out how to use all of it's nifty features 
Happy St. Paddy's Day

I would say that you are doing just fine!  The nifty features are for the times where the stacking process does not reduce the desired results (and the stacked photo has some visible artifacts of the stacking process).  If it works with the default settings- leave them alone!    Of course you can play with them and see what happens. 

[peteski]

People told me I was crazy for making N scale dodgem cars!

Well I have been working on a couple of things for my farm scene
...
pigs are easy to come by but chickens?

I would like 20-25 of them....some carving....and maybe try casting some
will give it a try

Paul

Well Paul, you just took the N scale scratchbuilding to the next level!  I'm relinquishing that title to you! 

What do you use for a magnifier?

[Flagler]

I added the roof to the Milwaukee Journal newsprint dock. It took awhile to get all those beams aligned and plume. Still a ways to go but a bit of progress.
The Diameter is 40" with a 3" core. Widths from 27-42". Paper from various suppliers would have diffrent roll wrap for brand ID


This is what I am aiming for.



I need some newsprint rolls for the dock. Any thoughts on a typical size? I guess something like 4 ft diameter and a 5 ft length.

Best wishes, Dave

[Flagler]

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These could have 2-4 rolls/bundle on the back of the truck.I would hate to drive behind that truck
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Judging on the pic in your engineering thread:



Those rolls are 8 feet long and about 4 feet in diameter comparing them to the 11R22.5" tires on the truck and thre gernally used 8' bed width that is now a federal standard.
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[Flagler]

Paper widths correction.

 News print 54" old format,new format 44-54". The  news papers are maller these days. Diammeter 40" or 50" 3 " cores
 Coated Paper for Magazines     24" -40" on average  40" & 50" OD   3" core
 Linerboard & Medium ,used to make corrugated boxes    always 58" OD  4" core  widths from 60-120" wide.
                        Prior to 1980 mostly 5o"-78" wide
                        1980 to                    60-120" wide most
SBS,CCNB,SUS ,used to make folding cartons,cerel box or giftbox as examples
                              24"-60" wide. most being 28"-50    60" or 72" Diameter   12" cores