Pan Am Locomotive

[Ian MacMillan]

I'm more interested in a photo of the build plate...

CN GP40-W rebuilds....I'll see what I can get you.

I know what they ARE r-tard, try GP40-2LW 

I want to know what the builders plate says.  Over on another forum and in private messages, others were trying to tell me that the W was never on any GP38-2W, GP40-2W or GP40-2LW, it was just GP38/40-2 or 40-2L, as that's what it says on the builders plate.  When I replied that EMD/GMDD didn't put model designations on the builders plate till 1977 or so (just wheel arrangement, i.e, 0-4-4-0), someone told me they started putting model designations on in 1967 (BS, I say), and they had confirmed that the builders plate had the model designation on these (possble... it IS GMDD after all).  When I asked for a photo of said plate, no response.

I'm not an R Tard!

Like I said..I'll get you the builder plate info.

[Robbman]

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[cv_acr]

CN GP40-W rebuilds....I'll see what I can get you.

Actually they are NOT rebuilt engines. They were built with the safety cab.

[cv_acr]

The "Canadian Trackside Guide" is the most accurate and complete source of information on Canadian rail lines and rosters - the book is republished yearly with current information supplied by literally hundreds of individuals and organizations. The guide lists the following:

9400-9490  GP40-2L(W)
9491-9530  "
9531-9632  "
9633-9667  GP40-2(W)
9668-9670  "                 ex-GOT 700-702
9671-9673  "                 ex-GOT 704-706
9674-9677  "                 ex-GOT 707-710

[Robbman]

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[Ian MacMillan]

CN GP40-W rebuilds....I'll see what I can get you.

Actually they are NOT rebuilt engines. They were built with the safety cab.

From what I was told, the GRS units were not part of the CN 9400-9677 series, and had been rebuilt with the safety cabs.

[Robbman]

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[Lenny53]

Doesn't bode well for the accuracy when they call 9633-9667 GP40-2Ws when they are GP40-2LWs...

Does it have a picture of the builders plate?  If not, it's useless to me...

Misinformation seems to abound regarding CN's safety cab equipped GP40-2s including well respected
publications, from what I have seen the designations are reversed.  What is quite often overlooked is the 'L' versions, which were of a lighter weight and carried less ballast, had smaller fuel tanks an easy spotting feature.  I too would be curious to see a builder's plate, however they may not carry any sub-class info at all.

[lock4244]

In the CN diesel data book (CN mechanical dept), the 9400-9530 units are called GP40-2L, while 9531-9632 are called GP40-2. It does not list the units numbered 9633-9667, they weren't delivered or ordered at the time of my copies publication.

The GO Transit units are called GP40-2's.

[Lenny53]

In the CN diesel data book (CN mechanical dept), the 9400-9530 units are called GP40-2L, while 9531-9632 are called GP40-2. It does not list the units numbered 9633-9667, they weren't delivered or ordered at the time of my copies publication.

The GO Transit units are called GP40-2's.

9633-9667 are actually the units with the smaller fuel tanks

http://www.niagararails.com/cgi-bin/rosters1.cgi?/rosters/cn/9600/9666cn.jpg

[lock4244]

Lenny, I'm just going by what CN's own mechanical dept called them in the mid 70's. I never notived the shorter fuel tank, but I never really looked at them that closely. Good to know for modeling them. A CN engineer swears that the 9633-9667 are taller (or is it shorter) than 9400-9632. I can't verify that, but I think he went so far as to measure them... nice to have that kind of access.

FWIW, I have always called 9400-9632 GP40-2W and 9633-9667 as GP40-2L(W)... but when talking about them, that gets to be a mouthful.

[Robbman]

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[Lenny53]

FWIW, I have always called 9400-9632 GP40-2W and 9633-9667 as GP40-2L(W)...

So have I, but a lot of what is published is reversed to this.

[lock4244]

Robbman, I posted a request on the CNR list a Yahoogroups... we'll see if anything turns up.

[Ian MacMillan]

There is a height difference...

I just want a builders plate. 

Thanks for the other info Mike and Lenny.  Even if we don't get the model designations, at least we can get the correct number of each version built.

Rob, did you need a photo of it too? I have the info coming from my buddy as there haven't been any parked 500 units on the line recently so it will just be the data from the plate.