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I think we are getting very close to the tipping point myself. There are going to be those that will dump the ConCor and MT among others to get these, those that don't pay for the new ones will drive up the cost of the others to compensate. I'm seeing this happen in FB auctions with hi-cube boxcars. People don't want to pay $50 for the MT or mid $30s for the ExactRail, so loose LBF cars/no box are going for $25-30 and add another $10 sometimes with a box.