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Bill H

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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #30 on: July 22, 2022, 08:51:48 AM »
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I think it was in Koester's multi level tome that someone used a bookcase with adjustable shelves, just as an experiment to find a comfortable height for each level of the layout. Put some track and cars on each shelve and see what works for you.

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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2022, 09:38:23 AM »
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I think it was in Koester's multi level tome that someone used a bookcase with adjustable shelves, just as an experiment to find a comfortable height for each level of the layout. Put some track and cars on each shelve and see what works for you.

I just stacked up crap. Boxes, etc... to get where I needed to.

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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #32 on: July 22, 2022, 01:07:35 PM »
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the MR illustration above is exactly the kind of multi-deck concept I was advising against earlier

I believe that illustration is not demonstrating multiple levels, but rather the angle of view for a particular height.    It just happens they are stacked to show the relative comparison.
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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #33 on: July 22, 2022, 04:46:24 PM »
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14" between decks is what I went with. 

This image dates from 2009 when I was installing the backdrop.

I did a lot of experimentation before the permanent structure was built and 14" between decks was the winner for me.

If I were to build another dual-deck layout I would again go with 14" between the decks.


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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #34 on: July 24, 2022, 10:38:35 AM »
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So much good advice here from true experts.   I’m a novice at this - just building my first multideck layout - but here are some additional thoughts:

- 14” vertical clearance for 12” to 18” deep lower level benchwork works well if you need to represent vertical scenic elements.

- levers are your friend!  I have some very thin fascia profiles on part of the upper deck, but have mountains at the backdrop that allow for robust benchwork that tapers to just an 1.5” at the fascia without sacrificing much strength.

- narrow benchwork rocks!  I have a much deeper area at one point to accommodate a wye and while it’s limited... it has been hard to build and I’m sure will remain hard to maintain.

- tall upper decks can be great if you can handle building off of a ladder!  Eye level views of n scale trains are awesome and I’ve designed in raised floors at switching areas to allow for proper operator to rail height operations.

- lots of opinions on helixes.  Do you your homework, know what you are getting into from construction, maintenance & operational points of view, and understand the pros & cons before you jump in.   I did all that, designed & built 3, and have no regrets as they allow the layout design I wanted.  No wrong answers here - whatever works best for you.

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Re: Multiple Level Layout - Clearance
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2022, 03:12:59 PM »
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One of my good friends is doing a new layout with a truly mammoth helix - but his son is a CAD whiz as well as a modeler, and laid the entire thing out and laser-cut it for assembly.   It's a four-track monster (two up and two down) that connects two levels, and basically, for all intents and purposes, works as a staging yard in itself.   The lower level and the upper level are completely functional and open layout areas with about 12-14" between them (guessing).   A visible classification yard is on the lower level, massive enough, and the 'upper' level is mostly wide-open running track around the room with a lift-out.   Upper level is at a good 60".   Each level is also designed to work independently so that running the helix is optional - you can run out of the helix and return to it on each level.

What impressed me about that idea is that given the radius and grade of the helix - and the fact that it's big enough to climb up into in the middle like a gun turret on a tank (access from the bottom, with handgrips and everything!)  -  is that multiple parallel tracks on a helix didn't cost much space, and with the 'down' tracks on the INSIDE of the helix (tighter curve) than the up tracks (wider curves) the payoff was a good trade between using all that wasted space for train storage without having every train have to climb up that thing because it functions as a staging yard.   And it's big enough to hold trains end-to-end in it's own blocks, so he can pack in 6-8 trains in there.   Open curved panels on the outside let you monitor it and then close it up.

I have to admit that impressed me, because one of the 'dumb things' about helixes is taking a coffee break while a train from a lower level storage yard climbs out of the hole, by the time you get there it's 4X the time of the visible layout.   So making the helix itself the multi-track staging yard between visible levels has been done, I've seen it.    I've seen lots of single-track and 2-track ones, but a 4-track monster was interesting.

Jerry Britton's PRR N layout (dismantled out of frustration with bad switches) had an epic helix and an enormous staging yard almost at floor level maybe as low as a foot.  I think the helix was two track, and it took a LONG time to climb up to one of several visible levels,  time enough you could go upstairs and grab a snack and make it back down by the time you could actually see a train.
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