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w neal

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UP experts: What era is this one?
« on: July 01, 2022, 10:19:07 AM »
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Educate me please: What era would this paint scheme be?

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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2022, 10:43:05 AM »
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I have seen some pics made in 1980 of UP 189
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2022, 10:47:23 AM »
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As early as 1969, as the herald doesn't have the word railroad. Unfortunately, when UP updated in 1975 to 20" lettering and cab numbers, GP9s were one of the loco series not to get the larger lettering for a lack of space.
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2022, 10:54:44 AM »
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According to LocoPhotos, these were delivered new in 1954, and this series was generally sold off by UP c. 1980.  Here's an example (might need a login to see it):

https://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=65631

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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 11:46:52 AM »
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The paint scheme on the model was the successor to the "We Can Handle It." paint scheme that was first applied in the early 1970s.  However, UP 189 may have "skipped" the "We Can Handle It." paint scheme, and was repainted from either its original 1954 paint scheme (ROAD OF The Streamliners/SERVES ALL THE WEST); or if it had been repainted in the 1960s, it may have had the "DEPENDABLE TRANSPORTATION" paint scheme prior to the paint scheme depicted on the model.   

All GP9s repainted between 1975 and 1980 would have had the paint scheme used on the model.  I did find a photo of UP GP9 170 in the same paint scheme as 189 that was taken on September 25, 1977.  I know Diesel Era had an extensive article (multi-part?) on UP GP9s that might have more information specific to UP 189, but my old issues are currently not accessible.   :(
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2022, 01:58:10 PM »
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Bugger. So this is a post '75 or '80 model then?
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2022, 04:08:10 PM »
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Bugger. So this is a post '75 or '80 model then?

UP 189 was retired October 1983.  I have not been able to find any information on the repaint date, but judging by the condition of the paint in the linked photo that Gary posted, it was repainted well before 1980.   ;)

Here is a link to UP paint schemes on Don Strack's Utah Rails website that may be helpful.  https://utahrails.net/up/up-diesel-paint-classic-era.php 

It looks like the earliest UP 189 could have been repainted into the scheme depicted on the model was probably in 1976.  While the paint/lettering scheme was adopted in October 1975, it appears the first recorded repaint was completed in January 1976.   :oops:
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2022, 07:14:18 PM »
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Rats. It's A bit newer than I wanted. Maybe I should sell it.
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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2022, 08:21:14 PM »
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Can you pls. PM me?   Thx, Ed

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Re: UP experts: What era is this one?
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2022, 12:39:46 AM »
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Rats. It's A bit newer than I wanted. Maybe I should sell it.

What's your era?  I'd say the only things that require change for an earlier era would be to remove the shield on the side of the cab and replace that with an appropriate slogan (depends on the year)...and maybe paint the trucks Harbor Mist Grey if before March 29, 1955.

The first GP9's to arrive had the slogan "Road of the Streamliners" on the engineer's side of the cab, and "Serves All The West" on the fireman's side of the cab. In June of 1959 the cab slogan was changed to "Dependable Transportation" on both sides of the cab.  In late December 1972 GP-9's were the first engines to get the new slogan "We Can Handle It" on their cabs.

Interestingly, all diesels that got new paint and new slogans starting in late December 1972 had no black edging on either the slogans, numbers or other lettering in order to save money.  However, management took a look at the new edgeless red lettering and a new order to restore the black edging on all red lettering was issued in March of 1973...basically three months after the edgeless change had been started. Of equal interest is that some of the GP9's never got the newest lettering with the black edges and retained the plain red lettering until they were retired...even after the cab slogan was replaced by the UP Medallion.

In October of 1975, all cab slogans (with a few exceptions on engines other than GP7's and GP9's) were changed to a 24" UP Medallion...like is on the the OP's Atlas GP9. GP7's and GP9's retained their original size "Union Pacific" and numbering because of space limitations.

In April thru June of 1978, all road diesels were required to have white vertical handrails and step edges, replacing the ones that had been painted Harbor Mist Grey.  Switch units had been ordered to have their vertical handrails and step edges painted white two years earlier starting in April 1976.

Other modifications to make this model more accurate would be to add wipers, a cab vent, mirrors, cab window shades (canvas), amber strobe, armrest, repositioning the horns according to reference photos, extended exhaust stacks, cold weather cover, separate grabs, lift rings and MU stands...all depending on the era and according to reference photos as details varied amongst individual engines.

One last thing to consider.  UP's GP9's in this number series had the same handrail stanchions as the earlier GP7's...and it's an easy replacement to do if you can find Atlas GP7 handrails.  I do it to all of my UP GP9's.

Here's an early Atlas GP9 that I superdetailed and got it right on for sometime in late 1955 thru 1956...

Photo (1) - Early Atlas GP9 superdetailed a bit with some of the aforementioned additions and paint/lettering modifications:


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