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Trains Mag Guide to seeing WNY&P Six Axle ALCos in Action - hurry!
« on: September 13, 2019, 11:54:46 PM »
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http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/07/03-its-not-too-late-to-visit-wnyp-alcos

Looks like the link works for non-subscibers.  If you're interested it's got good info.  They apparently don't have much longer so get there while you can.
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Re: Trains Mag Guide to seeing WNY&P Six Axle ALCos in Action - hurry!
« Reply #1 on: October 01, 2020, 12:33:41 PM »
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Today, two of the 636's made what may be their last run.  On Friday, WNYP 637 and 638 (I apologize, I do not know their former numbers) pulled 127 empty hoppers from storage to be handed off to NS at Meadville, PA.  Today they made their way back to Olean, NY, and will probably be soon retired.  From what I've heard, they were leading the train.  That said, I have no real knowledge of their future.

A lot of the background for the WNY&P and LA&L (They are basically the same company) ALCos can be found here: https://scotlawrence.github.io/NYalcos/index.html

WNYP 637 started life as CN 2312 and then Cartier 47 (and a few others before getting to the WNY&P)
WNYP 638 started life as Cartier 75 (and a few others before getting to the WNY&P)

Scott Lawrence hasn't up dated the page in about a year so the actual in service and out of service portions might be out of date with some of them.  It's going to be sad when all the six motor ALCos are retired.  At least they're keeping the four motor ones around for now.

Here is a YouTube video of this move with the 637 and 638 on Sept 25th, 2020:


And here is the same empty cars being placed on the WNY&P back on May 2nd, 2020 using MLW/ALCo locomotives 638,637,431,432:

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Re: Trains Mag Guide to seeing WNY&P Six Axle ALCos in Action - hurry!
« Reply #2 on: October 08, 2020, 01:28:27 AM »
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Edit: nothing like getting in a year after the fact, lol  :facepalm:  Regardless, the ops info is still valid, and the four motors are still working daily.

Knowing this was coming, I did four trips in 2019, giving me roughly three weeks of coverage (plus one week on the BLE, because why not?). Even more glad I did because with the border closed I won't have a chance to do so this year. Shot the Meadville - Falconer job on one day, but concentrated on the operations out of Olean. I got a ton of good material, and combined with visits in 2009 and 2011, my coverage isn't too bad (2009 saw them go to Hornell, which they've long since stopped doing). The only line I've not shot them on is the Oil City run.

They only go to Machias for ballast, making it incredibly hit or miss.

Olean - Cuba is as required.

Olean - Turtle Point is as required.

Olean - Emporium is as required. This one may or may not be running because the sand traffic there, once responsible for the majority of their sand, is now sporadic. In 2019 they cleaned it out and I was told by train crews that the terminal operator was 'done for now' and that the traffic may return, but Turtle Point was going to be taking over (no need to go over Keating Summit, and the reason why the Farmers Valley does work in Port Allegheny now as the Emporium usually did work there... but so does the DFT). Again, this was in 2019, subject to change.

Farmers Valley is generally in afternoon M-W-F, but only four axle.

The Meadville - Falconer turn, and the Olean - Falconer Turn normally operate on Tuesdays.

Olean - Salamanca Turns (called 'The Sally' by crews) are usually timed to the Farmers Valley operation, meaning that you can expect them to run M-W-F in morning. The wax cars come off the B&P. Used to be off NS at Meadville, but the twice weekly service of WNYP on the slow track to Meadville to Salamanca was such that supply to the Farmers Valley plant was unreliable, so now the cars go NS to Buffalo, B&P to Salamanca, WNYP to FV, and the Falconer Turns are now once weekly. It is important to note that The Sally may not run on any given MWF due to of all things crew availability, or they can run five in a week depending on inbound frac sand traffic. One Sally I shot had 68 cars, mostly sand loads, and two M636's... that was a good, if all to brief, chase.

Interestingly, Driftwood sees trains of NS, WNYP, B&P, and NBER, but you have to get lucky of have info to catch any of them.

They also have an Olean yard assignment that (in 2019) was ordered for 0500 weekdays and was the RS-3 / RS-18 combo.

Great RR, got to know some of the employees, very glad I made the effort to overdo it last year, lol.

PS, DO NOT attempt to chase anything through Olean... you'll be disappointed as the trackage south out of town is fast and the one lane thoroughfare isn't! Like the Trains article said, figure out whet they're doing at the yard early and then get down to the Portville area and wait. If they leave light power it's probably a Driftwood going to Turtle point to lift empty stone cars to take south. If they leave with frac sand it's a Turtle Point or Emporium Turn. If they grab a refer or two it's Cuba. IF they grab beaten up ballast hoppers / side dump it's Machias. If they tie on power at west end of yard it's The Sally (or Falconer).

Personally, I'm a Microtel man, which is also 5 seconds from the yard.
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Re: Trains Mag Guide to seeing WNY&P Six Axle ALCos in Action - hurry!
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2020, 01:37:50 AM »
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Oh, they fuel their locomotives at Eldred, PA., probably lower fuel tax in PA but I don't know for certain. This can yield some interesting consists going south out of Olean, with units set out at South Eldred and picked up on the return trip north, or the southbound train stopping and waiting for the power to be fueled.

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« Reply #4 on: October 08, 2020, 01:40:45 AM »
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Three for fuel, two for the road.