Looking for help on Southern Railway Parlor Car

[JoeD]

Hey all,

ran into a dead end trying to research some of the Heavyweight cars that southern railway had, specifically a Parlor Car.  Anyone have any wisdom? 

Thanks again for your continued help

Cheers

Joe

[thomasjmdavis]

Joe,

I don't know if this will tell you anything you don't already know, but there are several Southern timetables on line, which include equipment for many trains-
http://streamlinermemories.info/?category_name=southern

The 1925 TT http://streamlinermemories.info/South/SRR25-6TT.pdf includes some references to Parlor cars.  I did not do a word for word read, but, for example, table 15 (p 31) lists "Pullman Parlor Car" in the equipment for trains 21 and 22 the Carolina special, as well as referencing this and one or two more parlor car lines at p62 and 63.  Also a reference in Table 18 (p 32) trains 7 and 14 include "Parlor-cafe" cars.

Sorry, I have no names and no photos (or at least haven't found any yet).

Tom D

[JoeD]

Joe,

I don't know if this will tell you anything you don't already know, but there are several Southern timetables on line, which include equipment for many trains-
http://streamlinermemories.info/?category_name=southern

The 1925 TT http://streamlinermemories.info/South/SRR25-6TT.pdf includes some references to Parlor cars.  I did not do a word for word read, but, for example, table 15 (p 31) lists "Pullman Parlor Car" in the equipment for trains 21 and 22 the Carolina special, as well as referencing this and one or two more parlor car lines at p62 and 63.  Also a reference in Table 18 (p 32) trains 7 and 14 include "Parlor-cafe" cars.

Sorry, I have no names and no photos (or at least haven't found any yet).

Tom D

Thank you for the assist.

[Mark5]

I have some somewhat more detailed info at home - I'll take a look.

[Point353]

ran into a dead end trying to research some of the Heavyweight cars that southern railway had, specifically a Parlor Car. 

Did the Southern Ry own any heavyweight parlor cars, or were they all owned and operated/staffed by Pullman?

[Mark5]

This is the closest thing I could find - I didn't have time to see what the numbers are (in 1947) - all of the numbers are crossed out. I will have to get back to it as I must go to work. 

Mark
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[thomasjmdavis]

Maybe you can find a grad student working on a dissertation on the history of transportation and send them here:
https://amhistory.si.edu/archives/AC0181.html

They have the operations documents for, essentially, the entire history of the Pullman Co. But nothing online other than the page noting the contents of the collection, as far as I can tell.

The drawing provided by @Mark5 does make the case for a paired window Southern Coach, although I think it is a rebuilt 12-1.  I ran across a note about that or a similar car in (I think) Tom Madden's Pullman Project spreadsheet when I checked there (by the way, for future reference, there are quite a few Pullman sleepers that were painted into Southern's 2 tone green scheme noted in that spreadsheet- but unfortunately, no parlor cars with a similar note).

[Mark5]

Joe, I had no luck - the plan I posted is not in the index for 1947.

Will try to look for "Form 1056" when I get back next week.

[bbussey]

@Shipsure — I reviewed the list of Pullman heavyweight equipment that Southern acquired in 1947-1949 and ran the Pullman Plan numbers through the Newberry Library search.  The only floor plans found were for sleepers, coaches and observations.  That doesn't mean that there were no parlors, only that there are no plans for Southern parlors in the Newberry archive.  I suggest contacting the Southern Railway Historical Association, as they will be able to answer your questions rather quickly.   www.shra.net.  They also have a Facebook page and probably will respond to queries there as well.

[Iain]

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[Iain]

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[thomasjmdavis]

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It would be quite a kitbash, but nice car.  Is the diagram online, or did you luck into a 1910 issue of the Southern shop book?

Although few would fit into the mid-50s era I model, other than in the occasional work train and a few surviving baggage cars, I would love to see late wood cars and composite cars (wood body on steel frame) circa 1900-1915, produced.  In my HO days, my favorite models were the MDC "Palace" cars.

[Mark5]

Back in town. Tom: http://southern.railfan.net/paper/pass/pass.html

Housed here: http://southern.railfan.net

[thomasjmdavis]

Back in town. Tom: http://southern.railfan.net/paper/pass/pass.html

Housed here: http://southern.railfan.net

Thanks!
I had the 1947 book in my bookmarks, but not the earlier one.

I appreciate the several historical societies that make this sort of thing free online.  I think it probably increases the number of folks modeling the railroad, as well as interest in the railroad generally, and is a better way to increase membership than keeping everything behind a paywall.  Not to mention, makes it easier for the manufacturers and authors to gather info- and the more models and books for the railroad, the more potential members for the historical society.