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Question: Soo Line Four-Color Signals?
« on: June 22, 2015, 03:22:10 PM »
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At the moment we're on the CP/ex-Soo between Milwaukee and Twin Cities, and the unusual four-color signal heads are not in my normal signals vocabulary. I can't find anything online about them, either. These are clearly modern signals - SafeTrans molded plastic housings are recent.

What is the color order and are there multi-color aspects? Being back in the train, all we see is a single red.
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Re: Question: Soo Line Four-Color Signals?
« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2015, 06:41:47 PM »
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I'm assuming that by four colour signals you mean something that looks like this, with four different lights on one signal head?



This is a modern LED replacement for a searchlight signal. Where the one light on a searchlight could display the three different colours through an internal mechanical system, modern LED signals require a different light for each colour (normally Red/Yellow/Green) so consider each head one light... The example above is a one aspect signal, the one below would be two three aspect, one two aspect etc...



So in order to display colour combinations you require multiple heads.

The fourth colour would be whats called a lunar signal, Its a bluish white colour and is used to display a restricting signal... (do not exceed 15mph and be prepared to stop in half your visibility)

It is the same as a red with an R plate in Canada, it keeps a train from having to stop and then proceed at restricted speed which it would have to do at a single red without an R plate...


a yellow over lunar would be an approach restricting, meaning the next signal will have to be passed at restricted speed...


This is true for CP in the US, a lunar indication can mean something different on other US railways however...
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Re: Question: Soo Line Four-Color Signals?
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2015, 08:19:53 PM »
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Ryan, thanks for trying, but... I have training as a signal maintainer, and follow practices and techniques closely. My comment that the signal housings were SafeTrans plastic castings (versus, say, US&S or older SafeTrans aluminum boxes) should have been a clue I knew my way around signals. This question was not generic, I was asking about specific practice on these ex-Soo 4-color heads. Four-color heads are typically for special, specific conditions on other railroads. This ex-Soo line had them everywhere, as (apparent) normal absolutes and intermediates, a practice new to me.

First thing I noticed is the color positions are not usual North American practice - the red is at the top. Since I didn't have the ability to get off the train and examine the lenses for color placements, I can only guess whether it's red-lunar-yellow-green, or maybe red-yellow-green-lunar, or even possibly red-red-yellow-green or red-yellow-yellow-green under a system where diverging and advance diverging aspects can be shown in a single head. These "alternative" aspect practices are sometimes seen in transit systems.

I'm pretty sure these signals were installed by Soo and are not new retrofits by CP. The way to tell is the older design of a visor for each lens, rather than snow ("Vader") hoods. I'm sort of hoping that one of us who is out of the Chicago or Milwaukee area might be able to tell me what's going on.
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Re: Question: Soo Line Four-Color Signals?
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2015, 08:30:40 PM »
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Interesting... I'll have to dig through my soo books and see if there is any mention of them...
If they are pre 1985 they could even be milwaukee era...

Forgive my neophyte signal knowledge, I start my conductor class in September and have been studying a little lol
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