N scale reefer madness- is it real?

[peteski]

Ron,  I would recommend that you buy a copy of the "Billboard Refrigerator Cars" by Richard H. Hendrickson and Edward S. Kaminski (ISBN-13:9781930013223).  Lots of photos of all those colorful cars!  Micro Trains has been using this book as a reference for the last few years (on their Meat Packers and Breweries car series).

[Frisco Larry]

The new Atlas reefers (except the Mexene car) are also in the Billboard Reefer book

[ljudice]

Um, I thought the problem was SHIPPERS complaining, not the railroads. As I understand it, the prohibition is on RAILROAD-owned cars bearing graphics for other companies. Great for the railroads because advertising revenue. Not so great for the shipper when they get a car decorated for their competitor to ship their stuff in. (Think Coke receiving a railroad-supplied car all decorated for PepsiCo.)

If the shipper owns or leases the car, they're quite in the right to put their own name and logo on that car.

Exactly....  The Sargento car was a WSOR initialed car, right....

There have been other examples though,  I suspect that in modern times, no one cares and the Sargento car was repainted because it
was grafitti covered or something.

[Sokramiketes]

Exactly....  The Sargento car was a WSOR initialed car, right....

There have been other examples though,  I suspect that in modern times, no one cares and the Sargento car was repainted because it
was grafitti covered or something.

No, Chris has it right.  The logo had to be removed and it wasn't graffiti related.

[cv_acr]

For some reason Southern Railway of British Columbia gets away with this though:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=sry9461&o=sry

Unless these cars are specifically assigned to serving that shipper?

[ljudice]

No, Chris has it right.  The logo had to be removed and it wasn't graffiti related.

I wasn't disagreeing with Chris - I said "exactly"... 

But I am implying there is a FINE LINE between WSOR being ordered to repaint the car, and their marketing people
saying "you know, that promotion is over, let's repaint it" and it becoming a railfan rumor that they were ordered to.
I just find it hard to believe in this day and age this is enforced.

And in fact it isn't - SRY has cars with advertising, I believe and there are others...

[ljudice]

Oregon Steel Mills on CW gon:

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/pictures%5C7371%5CDSC_0647.JPG

[Sokramiketes]

I wasn't disagreeing with Chris - I said "exactly"... 

But I am implying there is a FINE LINE between WSOR being ordered to repaint the car, and their marketing people
saying "you know, that promotion is over, let's repaint it" and it becoming a railfan rumor that they were ordered to.
I just find it hard to believe in this day and age this is enforced.

And in fact it isn't - SRY has cars with advertising, I believe and there are others...

Sorry, Chris Schmuck (Chris333) has it right. 

[Philip H]

For some reason Southern Railway of British Columbia gets away with this though:

http://canadianfreightcargallery.ca/cgi-bin/image.pl?i=sry9461&o=sry

Unless these cars are specifically assigned to serving that shipper?

If SRY doesn't operate in the US nor is corporately chartered in the US, it won't have to comply with US railroad regulations.

[jnevis]

As I see it, simply having the name and logo of a company on the side of a car isn't the same as having the same logo across the WHOLE car, with slogans and graphics, so the SRY and CW cars are not "advertising" but the WSOR Sargento car would be.

[u18b]

Well, if you wanted to freelance.... I'm sure you could come up with some pretty clever "ads".

[Puddington]

I stand to be corrected but if a firm owns the car or as certain agreements with leasers then they have no restrictions in "modern times" about using their logo's and registered marketing tag lines on said car..... I know the billboard laws in the 30's were enforced but by the 1960's PS was producing cars that were "marketing" for grocery chains (The "Jewel" cars) paper companies (Stone Containers, GP, Willamette, Mac Blo etc...) and other industrial mfg's... perhaps there is a 'degree" issue we don't understand but clearly there is a way for both retailers and mfg's to get their logo and tag lines on cars..... as they should be able to....