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bobthebear

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athearn big-boy headlight
« on: May 02, 2024, 01:59:10 PM »
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Any idea how to replace the led headlight on an Athearn big-boy?

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2024, 02:59:57 PM »
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If no one else responds, I probably can... but it might take me a day or two to post all the photos and write up what I did with my Challenger.  It was not easy.
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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2024, 03:03:47 PM »
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I've done it few years ago (without documenting it) and it is a major PITA!  I remember that much.
Basically you have to disassemble bunch of parts which are not designed to come apart (as they are glued together).  Unlike Kato Big Boy where no glue is used anywhere.
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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2024, 03:59:01 PM »
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I thought that replacing incandescent bulbs with LED's was supposed to do away with this sort of thing!

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2024, 04:36:48 PM »
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true.

Mine was a first run Challenger with an regular bulb which fried.

I have a lot of notes I took and many photos- but had not created a write up for it.

I'll see what I can do.... with the caveat that I'm assuming the basic construction of a Big Boy and  Challenger are the same.
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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2024, 05:20:29 PM »
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I'll see what I can do.... with the caveat that I'm assuming the basic construction of a Big Boy and  Challenger are the same.

For that purpose, they are the same.
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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2024, 10:43:23 PM »
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Not sure if these instructions will apply to you at all, but I hope they can help.

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=57833.0

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #7 on: May 03, 2024, 08:50:51 AM »
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WOW, many thanks Ron for your superb detailed instructions. Greatly appreciated!
Cheers, Bob.

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2024, 02:58:10 PM »
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If you DON'T want to drop the leading power truck to access/replace the LED...

...here's a link to the "work around" I used on my 2017-issue challenger (see post #4 of the thread): https://www.nscale.net/forum/modeling/electrics-electronics/dcc/34351-upgrading-my-challenger-a-new-decoder-headlight-led-and-shortening-the-drawbar
« Last Edit: May 03, 2024, 03:00:38 PM by NDave »

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2024, 03:51:03 PM »
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Yes, I was going to mention that removing the 2 diodes from the PC board in the loco was not something I would have done.  Those 2 diodes are not protecting anything. As Dave alluded to in his write-up, they provide a "virtual blue" voltage to the headlight. That is why the model only uses single (negative side) wire for the headlight.



This is basically how those diodes are wired on the loco (of course their "blue" output is connected to a logh bulb, no an LED, but the principle works the same.

As for the current limiting resistor, I seem to recall there might be 2 versions of the decoder and 2 different ways the negative side of headlight function output is designed.  It's been a while since I  last did the LED conversion, but I recall that in one instance I could not get the white LED to light up because there was only 1.5V across the positive and negative pad of the headlight.  I had to modify the F0F output circuit on the decoder to get the voltage needed for the LED.  I'll be servicing a Challenger soon, so I'll look into that.  But if an extra resistor is desired, one side of a small SMD resistor can be soldered to one of the headlight solder pads up front on the PC board, and the headlight wire soldered directly to the other side
of the resistor.

I'm also not a fan of using thin solid-core enameled magnet wire for any connections that will flex (like up front where the pilot will move relative to the boiler, and the tender drawbar which pretty much constantly moves while the model is running. But I'm one of those people who over-engineers things, so my concerns might not worry others.
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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2024, 06:30:16 PM »
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Thanks Guys for your input!

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Re: athearn big-boy headlight
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2024, 12:37:03 PM »
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Success, so many thanks Guys!