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Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« on: September 09, 2022, 09:25:10 PM »
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Why was the Western Maryland abandoned between Cumberland Md and Connellsville Pennsylvania when the B&O line exists to this day? @wm3798

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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2022, 09:54:24 PM »
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Because the C&O owned the B&O and the WM.

The B&O had better connections and terminals. There was no good way to integrate the WM into the B&O in Baltimore, so three less useful parallel line was abandoned.

From what I understand, the actual route was better, but it was the ends and connections that killed it.

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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2022, 10:13:34 PM »
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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #3 on: September 09, 2022, 10:48:29 PM »
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Why did Tom Mann abandon model railroading?  :trollface:

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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2022, 11:56:59 AM »
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The B&O had better connections and terminals. There was no good way to integrate the WM into the B&O in Baltimore, so three less useful parallel line was abandoned.

From what I understand, the actual route was better, but it was the ends and connections that killed it.
I see the logic to a point, but it doesn't explain the Cumberland and west part.  Perhaps there weren't really any places to easily build a WM to B&O connecter around the Connellsville end (but it seems like there ought to have been), but there surely is somewhere where Chessie easily could have built a connector in the vicinity of Cumberland.  At a minimum, they could laid a few hundred yards of track and had connections Cumberland and Sand Patch.  It would have saved them a lot of operational headaches during flooding and whatnot over the years.

My guess is it came down to good old fashion money available.  Whichever route they kept needed to be double track.  The B&O was double track.  Parts (much?) of the WM weren't.

On the other hand, it's entirely possible Chessie looked at the question exactly through the framing of the east end of the WM being rough for connections, and abandoned a reasonably highly engineered piece of railroad.  It wouldn't have been the first time a railroad did something like that.

(edited to fix typos)

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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2022, 12:02:21 PM »
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there surely is somewhere where Chessie easily could have built a connector in the vicinity of Cumberland. 
I just looked at a map.  Looks like that connection already existed. 

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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #6 on: September 22, 2022, 09:19:15 PM »
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The core issue, as it always is in such matters, is that the WM, although built with more modern technology and engineering (i.e. low grades, broad clearances, tunnels and bridges) it was more expensive to maintain (i.e. tunnels and bridges)  The B&O was there first, so it hugged the river's edge longer and had to climb more steeply to cross the ridges.  The WM came some decades later, and opted for the higher ground.  This reduced curvature and grade, making it cheaper to operate, but it required said bridges and tunnels, so it was more expensive to take care of.  Since the WM used the route primarily for profitable thru per diem traffic and low cost bulk coal and grain moving to port, it worked for them.  Very little expensive switching and local work along the way.
The bean counters in the Terminal Tower recognized that more trains could be run over the B&O's double tracked route, and thus could more readily absorb the WM's traffic, which was mostly thru movements with very little on-line business.  To absorb the B&O's traffic over the WM, massive investment would have been needed to double track it, upgrade the terminals, and somehow deal with B&Os local on-line service on the route.  So keeping it in-house wasn't really an option.
It would have been nice if the ICC forced Chessie to divest itself of the route, making it available for a competitor like NW or PLE to access the Port of Baltimore, but they were busy sifting through the rubble of the Penn Central at the time, and couldn't be bothered with such trivia.

As it is, I believe the WM's right of way is the obvious choice to create a high speed rail corridor between Washington and Chicago, at least from Cherry Run to the old PLE yard at Rook.  There are a couple of notable chunks of right of way that have been interrupted, but the infrastructure through the Potomac, Casselman and Youghiogheny valleys is already set up to far exceed 100 mph, The bridges and tunnels need to be rehabbed, but probably not entirely replaced.
The biggest obstacle would be the bicyclists... the same lot that fought to preserve the ROW as a rail trail, "Just in case" it needed to be put back into use as a railroad.  The trails have become so popular, that they will likely force high speed rail to carve an entirely new ROW out of private property, pristine environments and sensitive habitats.  I'm pretty sure I won't see any of that in my lifetime.
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Re: Western Maryland Abandoned - why?
« Reply #7 on: September 23, 2022, 01:26:11 AM »
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Push comes to shove the bike bros get muscled out and get a little adjacent trail for the trouble.
Similar happened locally when a trail was out of commission for a year when the County learned to their horror that they couldn't replace an overpass with a pedestrian culvert and a regrade because whatever they put in place still had to have Plate F clearance just in case there needs to be a direct line from a corn field in Princeton to a row of houses in Sea Girt sometime in the future.
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