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Shelf layout advice needed
« on: November 27, 2015, 03:22:13 PM »
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Ok I've had up for quite some time the rubbermaid shelf system for my old HO switching layout. The brackets were 18" long. Since I went back to N scale, I would like to put up a 3' x 10' (shelf, door, plywood what have you..). Question is how to engineer it utilizing the system already in place. Below the "shelf" is my work bench so that needs to stay unobstructed. Above the "shelf" is another shelf used for all manner of storage and filled to capacity so the current system has to stay in place.

Why 3' wide? Couple reasons-- 1- As much as I love switching ops, I would like to join the runner crowd and be able to have the ability to just sit and watch the trains run or have them run while Im working at the bench. Cannot do that with a point to point switching layout. 2- the 3' width gives the ability for broad curves for bigger rolling stock and engines like C628's and TTAX flats.

Appreciate any advice! Thanks!
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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2015, 03:36:37 PM »
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Put a solid block on top of the bracket that is 3' long, so it spans to the outer frame of the door.  This will ensure that the weight of the layout is borne by the structural part of the door panel.

Then, after you install the shelf, put another block against the shelf rails, right at the top surface of the door panel, so it is chocked into place, and won't flip up.



I would refrain from a lot of heavy plaster scenery, and you'll do well not to lean on the front edge of the panel. 

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2015, 05:24:12 PM »
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Here is another method from a person building a shelf layout, similar to Lee's idea.

http://model-railroad-hobbyist.com/node/5355#comment-42946


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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2015, 05:57:30 PM »
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For a shelf above a workbench, 36" is very deep and will create areas difficult to reach, especially after scenicked.
Could also protrude out enough to whack yr head against every time you stand up from your workbench.

One option is to have a narrower main shelf but with lobes at each end to allow for a greater radius curve:



That's 24" deep in the center with space to allow 14" radius curves, though you could bump it out wider and have 16".
This allows you to have better reach in the middle with the wider curves at the end, as well as possibility of other scenes on both ends.
(Will you have access to the ends?)

An easy way to do this is to take a 24"x80" hollow core door and then attach a section of 30"x36" HCD on each end.
(Two doors & done!)

The drawing above is very symmetrical.
There's no reason why you can't have an asymmetrical shelf specific to your layout needs:



or



Those are just two examples of silly shapes--you can adapt to your own living space.
(Client had doors on each side, thus the slim shelves along the top left & right)

As Byron Henderson proselytizes: "Don't Fear the Saw!"
Amen, brother Byron!

Also, If the back part of the turnback loops are hidden in a mountain or behind buildings, you can have those sections 11-12" radius and then expand to 14"-16" at front where the track is visible.

Another option is the drop-down leaf:



A semi- or fully-scenicked section can hinge down out of the way when not in use, and then raised & locked into place when needed.

Whatever you do make sure you can reach (& CLEAN!) the back track over your scenery without going Godzilla on it.

Hope this helps.
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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2015, 06:41:08 PM »
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Great ideas! Thanks!!!

MC--the layout will be wall to wall so all access is from the front. Kinda like Doug Nelsons layout.

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2015, 01:01:30 PM »
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Just some other ideas, as you won't have access to the sides:



[Above design uses Atlas C55 flex, #7 & curved turnouts, and a #3.5 wye just for reference. Hand laying allows for custom & more compact trackwork]

Pinch the center in, but not too much to create impractical curves.
Above design carves in 16", leaving only 20" to reach over.

Raising the rear track(s) even an 1" (2% grade over the 4' between turnouts) creates a scene separate from all the foreground action.
Also makes it easier to reach / clean the back tracks.
The rear track can be the main (especially if using the curved turnouts in the corners), with the two closer to front acting as passing / staging.

Left Back:
Curved turnouts provide a smoother transition to the back, as well as creates longer runaround tracks.
The example on the left maintains a 16"/15"ish radius all the way through the curve.

Right Back:
Using a smaller radius curve for hidden track can free up 3"-4" front or back.
Really depends on what equipment you run and on what radius curve they're happiest.
If you don't like curved turnouts, you can use #7 or larger straight turnouts.
This makes the middle track the main.

I also recommend access holes in the corners so you can reach up from underneath to clean track /grab gremlins that derail cars back there.
You can also have removable structures (held in place by tabs or magnets or ?) to access from the front.

The industrial trackage in the middle is not set in stone: you can adjust to whatever industries you want.
I do like how one of the sidings on the left can act as a tail track for the "yard" on the right, so you can organize cuts without fouling the main.

But all of that depends on what kind of ops & industries you like  8)

More food for thought.
Hope it helps.
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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2015, 08:22:27 PM »
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Very cool MC! Thank you!

I will study this plan and digest it some. Need to figure out how to tie this into the Lehigh Valley.

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2015, 09:04:57 PM »
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Doesn't have to be all structures.
One back corner could be a tree-puffed hill:



The depot / trackage at front can be like the Sayre Station:



Funny, during an earlier online search when I typed in "Lehigh Valley" one of the first photos that popped up was:



Which is a great proto-photo for creating walls covered in vegetation.
(If you don't mind being "llied" to  8) )

Good luck & have fun with your layout!
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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2015, 09:32:07 PM »
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Ahhhh the Phillies..... :D

That aerial of Sayre I hadn't seen before, it answers a lot of questions I had. Thanks for posting that!!!

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2015, 08:49:37 PM »
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Are you sure those are to scale?

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2015, 09:08:50 PM »
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Funny, during an earlier online search when I typed in "Lehigh Valley" one of the first photos that popped up was:




Must have been an ogle, er, um, I mean google search.  Yahoo didn't turn that one up  :D

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Re: Shelf layout advice needed
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2015, 09:18:24 PM »
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the Lehigh Valley
[Bethlehem actually]
has a minor league baseball team
the Iron Pigs (in memory of the steel industry)
that is a farm team for the Phillies
I suppose that is the connection in the google search feature

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