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Two scientists create a teleportation ray, and they try it out on a cricket. They put the cricket on one of the two teleportation pads in the room, and they turn the ray on.
The cricket jumps across the room onto the other pad.
"It works! It works!"

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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #16 on: October 11, 2015, 09:34:37 PM »
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search for "Organza-Bags"

Whoa, weirdest phrase I have seen on TRW for quite a while!   :o

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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #17 on: October 11, 2015, 11:37:35 PM »
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I can't believe I just read this here on the Railwire!!!!!!!!!  :o The master is slipping.  :scared:

Jon  :D


LOL  - we all have to know our limitations.  Like I said, if that was my model, I would rather learn to design a new shell in a 3D CAD program than try to perform that particular surgery.  :)
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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2015, 09:28:58 AM »
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Whoa, weirdest phrase I have seen on TRW for quite a while!   :o

  Frank

Well at least ot wasn't ORGASMA BAG!  :trollface: :D

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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2015, 10:12:07 AM »
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I'm going to throw this out too: I think you need to spend some more time blending in the new front "frame" into the existing hood. It really looks like way too "sharp" of a transition.

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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2015, 11:21:41 AM »
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I'm going to throw this out too: I think you need to spend some more time blending in the new front "frame" into the existing hood. It really looks like way too "sharp" of a transition.

Actually, I'd like to know how you fabricated the front frame.

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I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.

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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2015, 01:03:35 PM »
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I'm going to throw this out too: I think you need to spend some more time blending in the new front "frame" into the existing hood. It really looks like way too "sharp" of a transition.

I know; when I get the new shell, I'll do a better job of that.  I had originally tried fabricating it from polystyrene, and had rounded over the edges, so now the new front doesn't quite work.


Actually, I'd like to know how you fabricated the front frame.

George

It's etched stainless, .2mm thick.
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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2015, 01:53:53 PM »
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That gives me an idea:  relief-etch the number-board/louver area then just grind/scrape out the area of the original parts (to the depth of the new photoetched panel), glue in the new etched version, then smooth  the area with putty or CA glue.  If you do it right then there won't be much sanding needed. That is much easier to accomplish than actually completely cutting the piece of plastic out and flipping it around.
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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2015, 11:45:29 PM »
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I'd have the numberboard/louver part of this done in an evening if I didn't have to wait for the glue to dry.  Don't know what's so difficult about this...and here is how I'd do it in 24 easy steps:

(Givens: You've measured the dimensions of the stock numberboards and recorded them)

Tools and supplies: Tenax, fine spotting brush, 320 and 600 grit wet/dry sandpaper, 1" wide sticky masking tape, 1X3X6 piece of wood (smooth, flat sides), double sided mounting tape, sharp new #11 blades & knife handle to hold 'em, 6" steel rule (or straight edge), 6" caliper,  fine small jeweler's files (at least "pointy-round" and "pointy-flat"), dental pick, assortment of drill bits, pin vice, assortment of sheet Styrene

Note:  If you don't have a precision caliper, either go to Harbor Freight Tools and buy one for around 12 bucks, or do step 5 and 6 before step 1, using the existing numberboard on the side of the engine body as a pattern.

STEPS:

(1) Cut out old numberboard and louvers carefully w SHARP, NEW #11 BLADE, working slowly on both sides, making sure to save the louvers still mounted on the base material you cut out.  It appears that the stock numberboard's top edge may be damaged by this excision.  Don't worry about it.  Set aside the removed louvers for later.

(2) File resultant hole to a sharp, rectangular shape keeping edges parallel and straight. You'll probably have to file off a bit of the remaining top edge of the stock numberboard...maybe...so do that too.

(3) Fill finished hole w a Styrene plug (should be only a few mils less than the engine body side) cut to as close a fit as you can, and glue in place using Tenax sparingly applied from the inside making sure the outside surface of the plug is even with the engine body surface.  Let dry for at least a few hours. 

(4) Fill and sand until plug's seams are invisible.

(5) Using .005" Styrene, cut out two rectangular shapes that match the dimensions and end radii of the stock numberboards you've removed and sand the edges so they're smooth, having no burrs and are perpendicular to face of the new numberboard shapes.

(6) Double check the shape of the numberboard shapes and make any adjustments NOW.

(7) Appropriately locate the new numberboard shapes on the sides of the engine body and spot "weld" them into place with a tiny amount of Tenax applied with a tiny spotting brush - hold for 15 seconds after spot-"welding" with steady, light to moderate pressure using a sharp, pointed instrument such as a dental pick, or something that is "sharp" but not sharp enough to puncture the outside surface of the numberboard shape.  You don't want the tiny numberboard shape to be attached to whatever you're holding it with so when you remove your holder, the just-glued numberboard shapes stays on the engine body, and isn't stuck to the pointy holder.

(8 ) Run a bit more Tenax carefully between numberboard shape's insides surface and the engine body.  DO NOT PRESS TOO HARD - molten plastic will ooze out between body & numberboard shape if you're pressing too hard, and you do not want this.

(9) Set aside to dry for a couple of hours.

(10) Trim each pair (keep them in pairs) of your saved excised louvers semi-close to the raised cast louvers on three outside sides of each set of paired louvers making sure not to damage or deform the louvers. Hand-trim the thickness of the pieces also so they're only about .020" to .030" thick under the louvers. Remember, keep them in pairs.

(11) Sand off any plastic burrs from the edges of each pair of salvaged and trimmed louvers.

(12) Attach the salvaged louvers to a smooth, flat piece of wood (handpiece) you can comfortably hold in your hand by using double-sided tape, pressing the louver sides of the of the pieces to the double sticky tape which has been mounted previously to the smooth wood handpiece.

(13) Carefully and slowly sand down the backsides of the trimmed louver pieces until there is a miniscule thickness of plastic under the louvers and on either side of them. Do this by taping down a sheet of 320 grit wet/dry sandpaper on a flat surface (tape four sides) and stroking the mounted salvaged louvers on this sheet of sandpaper, checking after EVERY STROKE to make sure you're thinning the backsides evenly.  This will go better if you use a bit of water to collect the plastic dust and increase the cutting qualities of the sandpaper.

(14) Carefully trim and dress the sides of the sanded and trimmed louver pieces so the newly thinned "base" doesn't protrude out from the sides, tops and bottoms of the louvers.  The new base should be less than .003" thick...but you can make it even thinner...be careful...it should only be an RCH thick...almost translucent. You now have four individual sets of louvers that match the other louvers on the engine's body.

(15) Set your newly liberated louvers aside in a safe place, 'cause of you lose 'em, they'll be difficult to replace.

(16) Drill clearance holes into your securely bonded and dry numberboard shapes which are now monolithically glued to the sides of your engine body.  These clearance holes should be smaller than the width of the shaped hole you are about to create, but large enough to get the point of a small jeweler's pointy-round file into.

(17) Using small, fine jeweler's files, start filing the numberboard's inner contours by filing carefully and slowly.  You want to create a very thin and even raised numberboard edge.  It's easy to remove material, but much more difficult to add it if you take away too much.  Try to keep the inside edges of the lozenge-shaped hole you're creating perpendicular to the outside surface of the engine body.

(18) After you're satisfied with the raised numberboard edge you've just created (if .005" is too tall, carefully sand the edges down using a small sanding block with 600 grit paper using very light and careful strokes until you're satisfied), cut plugs for these holes from Styrene that is several mils thinner than the wall thickness of the engine body.  Match the shape of the hole closely because you want a "press-fit".  Once again, work slowly.  (If you wanted to illuminate your numberboards, you would make this plug from clear Styrene).

(19) Press the finished plugs into their matching holes, making sure they're slightly deeper than the surrounding engine body surface on the other side of the raised numberboard edge.

(20) Glue the properly positioned numberboard plugs in place using Tenax sparingly applied from the inside of the engine body.

(21) Locate your four set-aside liberated louvers and make sure they're oriented properly (finding "up" and "down")

(22) Now, position, hold and glue each set of louvers in place using the technique and cautions for gluing on the Styrene numberboard shapes you've previously done.

(23) Let dry for several hours

(24) You're DONE! ...at least with the numberboard/louver details...  :)

Well, that wasn't too difficult, and I guarantee if you work carefully and double check everything, your results will be excellent.

Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore
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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #24 on: October 20, 2015, 03:43:14 PM »
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LOL  - we all have to know our limitations.  Like I said, if that was my model, I would rather learn to design a new shell in a 3D CAD program than try to perform that particular surgery.  :)

It's not that difficult to learn some of the CAD programs. I had absolutely no experience and in a very short time with TinkerCAD I was making models I could have never made by hand. I will never attempt another micro surgery on an N-scale shell.
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Re: Thoughts on doing this?
« Reply #25 on: October 20, 2015, 08:14:49 PM »
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It's not that difficult to learn some of the CAD programs. I had absolutely no experience and in a very short time with TinkerCAD I was making models I could have never made by hand. I will never attempt another micro surgery on an N-scale shell.

I will :) ...and I'm 66 and blind in one eye...


Cheerio!
Bob Gilmore