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sirenwerks

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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2015, 01:29:17 PM »
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That one, at least, has some semblance of reality - the 1939 "Valley Flyer" with the semi-streamlined 1300-class 4-6-2's had a train of modernized heavyweights that were all silver with the bottom red and black striping, not unlike an F-unit B booster:

http://www.trainman.net/valley_flyer_history.html

So there is a prototype for the semi-streamlined Model Power Pacific.
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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2015, 03:48:49 PM »
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So there is a prototype for the semi-streamlined Model Power Pacific.

Well, Randy called it a "semblance of reality", which I believe is a far better description than "prototype". It kinda sorta looks like the Santa Fe pacific if you can get over the very obvious USRA features of the MP loco, particularly the sand dome and the cab. While the ATSF had a great variety of power, management disliked the USRA intensely and USRA locos were therefore not favored (unless you want to include the N&W Y3's in brief use on Raton during WWII).
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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2015, 03:27:06 PM »
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The MP one is 'close enough' for me to at least not choke.  I've come close to getting one several times before, but it would be another shelf queen and I already have too many of those.

The ones that make me burst out laughing is anything (primarily Tyco or Lionel) that use CHROME in place of silver/stainless paint on F-units, GP40's, high-nose Alco C630's, you name it.   And to think that entire mess evolved out of the U28CG scheme.   Remember the real red and silver warbonnets (GP60's, etc.) didn't appear until decades after Bachmann had been painting GP40's by the shipload in a scheme that didn't actually exist (red and silver with the black and yellow separation stripes).    The U28CG was the only hood unit ever painted in red and silver, no separation stripes, until the SuperFleet era of the 90's.    From 1966 to 1989 (23 years!) nothing else was painted that way.  In the 1970's Santa Fe went out of the way to kill the red and silver to distance themselves from the passenger era, at the same time the modelmakers were churning them out by the thousands.

I'll always nominate the Bachmann GP40 in full red and silver warbonnet as the original Great Foobie, multiscale, helped started a trend that copied on the real thing.  If you don't know the story:  http://northamericanrails.com/santa_fe_with_super_fleet_locomotives

I've wondered to this day why BNSF doesn't just throw in the towel and use it again.   It's proven over and over, it sells.  "Everything's better, with Warbonnet on it!"


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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #18 on: July 31, 2015, 07:31:58 AM »
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The designers in 1937 knew what they were about.  Locomotives in warbonnet paint look faster.  OK, admittedly, with the way that ATSF geared their Es and Fs, they usually were faster, but that's not my point.  You could paint that scheme on your 1998 minivan and rack up speeding tickets even though you were driving 5 miles under the limit.

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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #19 on: July 31, 2015, 08:06:53 AM »
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Like I said.....   Except for that one time......

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/fileSendAction/fcType/0/fcOid/8187868225997497/filePointer/8187868227703999/fodoid/8187868227703994/imageType/LARGE/inlineImage/true/Santa%20fe%20RV.jpg

I knew I'd seen a delivery van painted in Warbonnet once.... was looking for that image, but holy smokes, that's nothing compared to that motor home!

I'm not sure if I think that's cool, or the illegitimate child of an F-7 and the dog vehicle in "Dumb and Dumber".
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Re: test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.
« Reply #20 on: August 13, 2015, 05:11:13 AM »
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Not sexy at all.