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General Discussion => Layout Engineering Reports => Topic started by: mu26aeh on December 07, 2019, 06:51:30 PM
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So, I might be getting a little bit ahead of myself, but I met with a contractor today about building an addition onto my existing home. This will move my 2 car garage from my basement to being level with my ranch style home, therefore opening up a 21'4" x 26'4" wide open space. Probably going to be spring until ground is broke if we do anything, but I want to be ready to go as soon as I can go. Obviously, still need to hear back about costs, get permits etc. But I know you guys like a blank slate and would love to see what ideas you come up with. Since I was able to tackle the helix on my last redesign, this one can also be double deck. I have attached a drawing with current doors and sump pit location.
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While talking with contractor, we discussed an interior stairway from the garage to the basement, it was initially talked about on the right hand side but thinking now might be better on the same side as the sump pit. The stud wall could also come down, opening up the entire basement, but I don't think I would take over everything for the layout. The other side saved for crew lounge, work area etc. There is a 4'6" x 11'6" area on the upper right that could be used as taking the wall down would open up to the stairway that comes the upstairs.
Have fun !
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If only you knew someone who could help you plan a garage addition and a WM themed layout.
Lee
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@wm3798 , if I need a drawing done up for the addition, you're on my short list to contact :D
And on the layout design, you're on my shorter list. Once we get a little further along, I'd like to get a gathering of local a$$hats together to bounce ideas and figure a plan of attack. Not decided yet or shown in the photo, is whether or not there will be additional basement space available under an additional bedroom being added as well, or if that will just be a crawl space.
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It's a plan.
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In order to get to the new layout, the addition needs done first. Paging @wm3798 :D Please contact me at your earliest convenience concerning your addition planning skills.
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Here I am!
I'm pretty well booked into January, but I'm available first weekend after the 1st to come take a look at it... and maybe run a train...
I'll PM you the direct contact info to make the necessary arrangements.
Merry Christmas!
Lee
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This isn't your first "rodeo" so I'll keep this brief...
I'd make it big enough to make it operationally interesting, but not make it bigger for the sake of making it bigger, which I think brings diminishing returns once you figure in the additional cost in time and money.
Make it so that you can operate it on your own and enjoy it... Making it so it can accommodate a dozen operators which will only happen once in a great while may push it into the category of never getting finished.
My single room, double-deck layout took 5 years to get it to the point of being 80% complete– That's track, scenery and buildings. But that came at a price of spending at least a 1/2 hour a day on it (or some aspect of it) virtually every day.
Building even a medium sized pike is a grind. You've heard the line "eyes are bigger than ones stomach" but when it comes to layouts it's more like "one's eyes are bigger than ones wallet & watch."
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@MichaelWinicki , if I could upvote your post a million times I would. There is a ton of truth in that.
It's possible to do a larger simple layout, with lots of what @Ed Kapuscinski would call "negative space", or a smaller more complex layout like mine was. But you definitely want to avoid a soul sucking time sink that makes it impossible to enjoy the process of building the railroad.
Lee
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Well, the good thing with the Hanover Subdivision, there will never be 12 operators, at least for what I want to focus on modeling. Sorry gang. The prototype has a local in each direction daily, the rock runner to Baltimore, and 2 interchange trains with MMID - 1 from Baltimore and 1 from Hagerstown to Emory Grove and Highfield respectively. So while I may expand the layout, it will probably be with more " negative space" but will also try to incorporate at least adding Gettysburg and possibly the Grit Mill which gets serviced by the Highfield turn/MMID interchange. Of course, I could roll back time a little bit when it was still serviced by the 795/797 and would not need to include Highfield. Time will tell, need to get the addition done first :D
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Let's get this party started!
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I like that you used @Ed Kapuscinski 's old layout as a backdrop.
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Those trees do come in handy!
I still have to put the drawings into a useful layout.. but the fun part is done!
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And just look at all that tasty basement space!
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I'll email the scale layouts Thursday, Adam.
Lee
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Took me a second figure out what the backdrop talk was all about. Love it !
Awesome, guess I'd better start talking to the bank huh ? :D
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Do you want to show the garage with or without the wall down the middle? It's non-structural and can go away or be reconfiigured if you like.
I'd be inclined to leave it in place, and make the current layout space into Family Room/Crew Lounge, the area between the steps and the wall Office/Workbench, then reserve the new space for Hagerstown to Glyndon, only this time properly done with Highfield, Jack's Mountain, and Gettysburg!
Lee
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Don't forget the barking dog.
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I have a feeling that wall will come out
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Round 2 of home design received and reviewed. Got the OK from the general contractor to oversee the job. Going to start talking to various contractors this week and started the renovation loan process. Project beginning to pick up steam !
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Well, since covid-19 has taken over the state of PA, much of the United States for that matter, the layout will be put on hold indefinitely. All construction is currently on hiatus across this great state of PA. But you can still buy construction materials, just can't construct anything. Makes perfect sense right ?
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In Maryland, residential construction is still considered essential. You could try hiring a contractor from Taneytown!
Lee
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All construction is currently on hiatus across this great state of PA. But you can still buy construction materials, just can't construct anything. Makes perfect sense right ?
buy the materials now cheap at Corona sale :)
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Construction allowed in NJ. Considered essential.
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Construction allowed in NJ. Considered essential.
Yeah, been to NJ a few times, might be a while before it’s finished though.
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In Maryland, residential construction is still considered essential. You could try hiring a contractor from Taneytown!
Lee
I wonder if authorities would accept that my house/property identifies as a Maryland location ? Works for ..... Nah, I won't say it. You can finish the sentence
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I don't understand why your governor shut down construction. I mean, if ever there was a group of people that were socially distant...
But seriously folks, there are few industries that are as interwoven into the economy as mine is. It's one of the reasons the 2007-9 recession was so devastating, we were clobbered.
Apart from my meager efforts scribbling on graph paper, everything from cinder blocks to appliances to tile to light bulbs is impacted by home construction, whether it's new stuff or remodels. And don't even start me about labor. If there's one area of blue collar work that can't be exported, it's residential construction. Sure, we import a lot of labor... a wad of Benjamins and a Spanish phrase book will get a lot of work done... but that's because US kids would rather spend four years accumulating debt for an empty promise than lift a finger for a hard day's work. But there are few predictors of where things are headed as thorough as housing starts.
Here's the good news. So far, I'm busy, my builders are busy, and our customers are anxious to get started. A far cry from the days of no-doc loans, fake money, and bloated borrowing. We are experiencing a temporary interruption to our daily lives, necessary to keep people safe from something we are just beginning to understand. We're hitting the pause button... a reset, if you will, but once we get the all clear, things should get back on track pretty quickly.
So yes, I'll finish your drawings! You can still go file for a permit even if the industry is on hold for a moment. You want to be in a good position once the yellow caution flag comes down and the race starts up again.
Lee
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Well we got a little movement out of governor possibly as I'm hearing excavation can now be part of the essential business in PA, as it would fall under landscaping 🤣🤷♂️. Now if I could get my mason to get me some answers, we might be moved up list a little bit
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Drawings will be done Saturday, if not sooner. Can you check what the current local building code is that you're working under?
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Drawings will be done Saturday, if not sooner. Can you check what the current local building code is that you're working under?
Sent ya a PM
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Welp, Gov Wolf flipped and flopped like a fish out of water on excavating. First it was no, then yes, then no then yes and part of landscaping. Now it's no again, only available as emergency situations.
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Welp, Gov Wolf flipped and flopped like a fish out of water on excavating. First it was no, then yes, then no then yes and part of landscaping. Now it's no again, only available as emergency situations.
Just tell the Gov you are building an emergency railroad extension ..
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Governor set another temporary goal post. Possibly May 8th he'll allow limited construction to resume. I'm certain it will be full of hoops to jump and i's to dot, t's to cross and all the other red tape regulated to state dictat.. I meant government.
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I'm glad we have a more steady hand on the tiller here in Maryland, for once.
I guess I better shake that pan on the back burner and see if it needs any more salt...
Lee
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Wolfie's cabinet company got an exemption early on to continue ops, but then publicity shut that down. It's near you, Adam, do you know if they went back and appealed?
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People are saying its still operating. There's questions if he's still involved, I've found conflicting reports but I have my thoughts. As to not turn political, ill keep them to myself :trollface:
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Exciting update, Gov. Wolf just announced, and literally all he said, Construction can resume on May 1st. No further details. Turn up that burner @wm3798
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I'm on it!
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So doodling away until I can start actually working on the layout. One of my local friends keeps telling me to keep what I have and make that the York Sub, and rebuild Hanover Sub in the garage space. I'm not against that but it's not going to happen that way. I think I'm going to remove the wall that divides the current garage and layout space, in image would be just to left of furnace, and will takeover some of the existing train room. But I also want to have a sitting area/crew lounge as well.
Of course, the bigger I go, the more $$$ I need to build it.
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Of course, the bigger I go, the more $$$ I need to build it.
When I was younger and cars were a big part of my life, a guy once told me "Speed costs money kid. How fast ya wanna go"?
Scott
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When I was younger and cars were a big part of my life, a guy once told me "Speed costs money kid. How fast ya wanna go"?
Scott
Well the good thing is I think the max speed for the Hanover Sub is 25 in my neck of the woods :D
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More than the investment in cash is the investment In time. Big layouts take valuable time to build and maintain. Keep that in mind.
Lee
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Step #1 accomplished. Land use permit application dropped off at township building. Now we wait for approval to use the land that I'm paying the bank for
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First permits acquired ! Next onto the building permit
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First permits acquired ! Next onto the building permit
If only that brick mason would get back to ya!
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Wow, long time and no posts.
Long story short, my original mason had left me hanging, somewhat due to the virus situation, otherwhat due to him being sketchy work habits apparently. Either way he's off the job. I had a second mason come in for an estimate. Called back, gave me a number. I asked if that is kit and kaboodle, he says oh no, that's just first phase. So I ask him for finished quote. Calls back, about knocks me over with the number. I tell him I'll call him back. All the while my framer is bouncing me thru his schedule. I decide to get another quote from another mason. Everyone is busy so it's taking way too long to get things started. My framer calls me and says he can't hold a spot for me any longer and my project will be put on hold, at least with him doing the framing, until springtime as he has committed to framing 2 homes between now and February. I tell him no worries, we'll cross that bridge later. Well my third mason finally gets numbers back to me this past weekend. I verified a few things with him this afternoon, just to be clear what is and isn't included in the number he gave me. Turns out it's finished job and sounds like it's all a go. So I told him to give me a start date for excavation and what he needs for a deposit and we'll call it a done deal. This thing might actually happen ....
Might have to get serious soon about a track plan....
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Good luck with your build. We’re in the process of building a new home and we’re almost minimally dried in... only need 2 windows installed. Siding is complete and exterior masonry wainscoting is in process. Been lucky (knock wood) on supply chain acquisitions but but builder tells me some of his builds are having issues obtaining some of the higher end appliances... like delayed 60-90 days after the scheduled closing date.
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I'm giddy with excitement
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Hopefully, it’s not too cold yet to lay block.
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Many years ago we laid block at 20 degrees for a high. The mud was like soft serve ice cream coming out of the mixer. We mixed calcium chloride in the sand and anti freeze
in the water.
I think the houses are still standing. :scared:
Greg O.
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Around these parts you're good until about Christmas. Then you mostly have to worry about rain. Good to see some forward progress!
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That's going to look nice!
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Now specializing in Train Room Additions in the Tri State Area!
Lee
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Yes, shameless plug for Lee, as he was the designer for said project and was very instrumental in getting this project off the ground.
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First door plugged !
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Design ideas already bouncing around :D
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First door plugged !
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At this point, Adam realized, “Crap, we didn’t the car out of the garage first.” :D
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At this point, Adam realized, “Crap, we didn’t the car out of the garage first.” :D
My mason asked me that yesterday when he dropped the block off. He dropped his trailer at the top of the grade, then hand unloaded the block for this door from a dump truck right in front of the door. At the time, the doors were closed and no one home. He texted me to say he had dropped the block, then asked " you do have your truck out of the garage, correct ? " Of course, I replied with " Ah F@#%" :trollface:
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Hahahahaha!!!
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Now it's really too late to turn back
Existing driveway slope torn up to give fill something to grab hold of, otherwise that blacktop would just help the fill slide down and put more pressure on the block wall.
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Daughters new room, as her existing room will become a mudroom/entry from the new garage.
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Garage footers dug on Friday, forms built Saturday, inspection on Monday and hopefully Tuesday at 9am concrete pours ! And funny how this all timed out, I'm off work next week so I get to be home to document all the fun
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so you are burying that one door then for later use?
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Only closing up part of it. There will be a stairwell down from the new garage floor.
Crew entrance... There's some block to lay for the stairwell, then it will get closed up as part of that procedure, I'm sure.
Plenty of earthen fill to put in...plenty of time to take care of any recalcitrant inspectors, local political opponents, Union bosses, or Sicilian "businessmen"
Lee
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Don’t bury them under your wall or slab. Causes foundation problems as the body decomposes.
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Engineer already has that figured in. Piers and grade beams to support the floor
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Speaking of piers and such, rest of footers were dug today. Forms go up tomorrow, inspection Monday and concrete pours Tuesday at 9am !
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Quite the project! Exciting to see this from the beginning. Please keep us up to date!
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Opportunity for a header here: The Railwire: A Forum for Home Improvement.
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Build that wall(s) !
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Well, in about a week after the concrete cures, the mason gets back from some deserved R&R, and we dry out from the monsoon that will potentially drown us out heading into the weekend :RUEffinKiddingMe: Hardly any rain in the last 2 months but once I open up the ground, the skies decide to open as well
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Hardly any rain in the last 2 months but once I open up the ground, the skies decide to open as well
Is that Ed's Law or Murphy's at play?
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@mu26aeh,
Adam, do you still have a drain in front of that remaining garage door opening? The way that trench and the platforms are built, the water is probably coming to the garage. I see the drain tile peeking through the gravel there, but I can't see if your drain is still there. If not, you might want to have a sump pump standing by, if the downpour is expected to be that great.
DFF
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Yes, drain tile is still across the front of the doorways, and the existing drain cover was left in place. When they excavated the blacktop, everything was actually disconnected underground, probably from the day they paved the driveway by the looks of things. They put everything back together and covered the drain cap with fresh clean stone. I am probably going to put up a temporary dam across the remaining doorway for added protection, as any water that gets into the footers will ultimately make it's way down to the doorway.
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The irony -- meteorologist digs a foundation - record rain from left over hurricane fills it :facepalm:
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glad to see the progress that is happening
may the sun gods keep the rains gods at bay.
this is really coming together, not only as a space for your modelling
but as great extension to your home.
sincerely
Gary
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While the footers cure, and we await what looks to be a 2-3" rainfall over the next two days, how about some modeling ? Thanks to @GaryHinshaw , I secured some Trinity 5161 covered hoppers for a set of decals I had made a year or 2 ago of a road yet to be released in N scale. These are going to look purdy sitting at Ag-Com
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Cenn Pentral?
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Cool! Great to see them put to good use! Good luck with the weather...
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Passed the test today. While receiving almost 1.5" of rain today, we missed out on the worst of the rainfall. Most of this fell at a nice steady rate, allowing the ground, and the existing drain tile around my home, to soak up the rainfall. Forecast looks to be in the clear for at least the next 7 days, which should allow the mason to start laying block by middle of next week and I won't have to worry about repeating this again.
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Damn train master sent another autorack in Hagerstown yard. Misrouted cars just take up space. Guess they'll just go back on the next Cumberland turn.
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Added to my MT Halloween train today.
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The train room is almost closed in ! Ran out of initial block order, more won't be delivered until Wednesday :(
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You guys in Pennsylvania have a lot of trouble counting these days, don't you? :trollface:
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You guys in Pennsylvania have a lot of trouble counting these days, don't you? :trollface:
Voting, yes. Block, no :D He brought 2 skids to start the doors. Had to wait until the footers were poured to find out how many courses were needed. He went out of town for a few days to get away from the rat race, today was first day back to work. Apparently lot of people building these days for block people to be that far behind on delivery
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Try getting shingles, tar paper and/or plywood down here on the coast. I dare ya!
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Try getting shingles, tar paper and/or plywood down here on the coast. I dare ya!
A tarp salesperson is probably doing fairly well down there, too. :P
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There's a reason I had three sizes of unopened tarps in my garage. 8)
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So last night to block the gaping hole in the wall, I used what any average model railroader would use. Leftover foam board !
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Today, I made the trek to Lowes in search of cheap plywood for a more secure method, knowing that would be a failed mission. Plenty of ply/osb was to be found, but good lord the prices !!! Average price was $28-30/sheet. Thinking ahead that a layout will fill the room eventually, I went with a 1/4" ply that could be re-purposed for roadbed/supports/whatever it's needed for so long as it isn't destroyed at some point :D So until the block arrives Wednesday, with another batch of heavy rain forecasted :x , we now that this little more secure "door"
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At the moment down here 3/4CDX roofing grade sheathing is $48 a sheet - if you can find it. I had to get 2 4x4 precut panels last thursday to do a project for my daughter's girl scout troop and that was almost $30 a piece.
Here's hoping your "door" held.
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At the moment down here 3/4CDX roofing grade sheathing is $48 a sheet - if you can find it. I had to get 2 4x4 precut panels last thursday to do a project for my daughter's girl scout troop and that was almost $30 a piece.
Here's hoping your "door" held.
Exterior grade sheathing here is $28, roofing grade is 34 and T/G flooring is $48
We're expecting rain again on Wednesday from Eta remains, same day block is supposed to arrive :facepalm:
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You guys in Pennsylvania have a lot of trouble counting these days, don't you? :trollface:
You're the real winner Lee... :lol: :trollface:
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Block arrived today ! :D Just in time to get rained on, so no block laid today :(
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And it rained, and rained and rained some more, filling up the landing area faster than it went into ground/drain tile.
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is this going to be a problem later on ?
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is this going to be a problem later on ?
Only until the foundation gets backfilled. Basically right now, the footers just lead all the way back to the opening :facepalm: :RUEffinKiddingMe: , so even level footers drain water to the lowest point :o
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Starting to resemble something. Back at it on Monday
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I also got a video update to my LED installation on my Gettysburg Fire Department apparatus. They're hawt ! :D
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Today's progress centered on the back walls of the addition. Hopefully tomorrow will wrap up almost all the block work. A return wall on the bedroom and from the bedroom wrapping around to the front of garage needs finished, along with building the piers for the grade beams to support the floor. Damn engineers and their costly additions. And designers worrying about walls blowing out :scared: Oh, Hi Lee :D
I kid, I kid :D Money well spent all around
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So close today to finishing the block work. About 40 10" block short :(
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Why is there a "double wall" on the lower right of the pictures? Just curious.
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I'm simply stunned at how fast you were able to get this through permitting.
Here in Washington, it'd take 6-12 mos. at minimum.
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Why is there a "double wall" on the lower right of the pictures? Just curious.
That was an existing retaining wall that held back the flower beds as the driveway sloped down that we decided to leave in place.
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I'm simply stunned at how fast you were able to get this through permitting.
Here in Washington, it'd take 6-12 mos. at minimum.
If the original mason didn't stiff me on doing the job, we'd be under roof in 6 months :D
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So what was the final resolution on the deck expansion? We're you able to do the new footings for the cantilever beam? Or will the magically appear after the inspector goes home?😁
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I'm simply stunned at how fast you were able to get this through permitting.
Here in Washington, it'd take 6-12 mos. at minimum.
So close today to finishing the block work. About 40 10" block short :(
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I'm simply stunned by how your mason can't count. Isn't this at least the second time that they've come up short?
DFF
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He figured wrong due to the area around staircase. Needs more 10" block, but had extra 6" block. Is what it is. Little more difficult due to the slope and having stepped footers.
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So what was the final resolution on the deck expansion? We're you able to do the new footings for the cantilever beam? Or will the magically appear after the inspector goes home?😁
I was thinking of that the other day, I think we are actually good on what we're doing. Have to go back and reread it. If it wasn't kosher, they wouldn't have approved it, right? :?
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You're a model railroader... When you put the new footers in, just weather the hell out of them to make them look like they've been there for ages!
Lee
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Ring, ring, ring...
"Hello TruColor? You sell MRR paint by the gallon?" :trollface:
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So what was the final resolution on the deck expansion? We're you able to do the new footings for the cantilever beam? Or will the magically appear after the inspector goes home?😁
Per the plan review " Joists on the plan are depicted as 8' with a cantilever of 2'5". The cantilever is in excess of the allowed UNSUPPORTED cantilever for the 5'8" span of the joist. The illustrated angle supports at each post WILL ALLOW the illustrated cantilever." So that tells me that because we have the angle supports in, we are good to go. Just pointing out that if we didn't have them, it would not have been approved. Agree ??
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That’s exactly how I would interpret that!
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Wait... wasn't there supposed to be a window above the stairway?
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Natural light in a stairwell ... It's a good thing.
Lee
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Yeah, it was there and I don't know if it was just missed or I said something about it being that it's somewhat behind the retaining wall/not required ? Can't remember at this point with all the discussions and the length of time for us to actually get to this point. :? Important part is all the rebar and cores are in the correct places with correct sizes so nothing moves :D Walls get tarred this weekend, and will call for inspection early next week. Then 5 tri-axle loads of fresh stone for backfill will show up as well. I hope I have enough driveway to store that much :scared:
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Well, there's one window you won't have to pay for anyway.
So. Anyone have any bodies they need to dispose of? Now's your chance!
Lee
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There is that big window above it too :D Not exactly in the stairwell, but :facepalm:
If anyone does have a, um, you know, what Lee mentioned. There will be a nominal fee, non-refundable, paid in cash, unmarked bills. And I know nothing about it....
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Come on... you should know to never bury a you-know-what in gravel fill. You need good soil depth to support the work of the lye to break everything down and not leave any evidence. Gravel will just dry everything out and you’ll end up with a mummy in law visiting forever.
Bunch of f’ing amateurs.
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^ Sorry but THAT was funny! :lol:
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Come on... you should know to never bury a you-know-what in gravel fill. You need good soil depth to support the work of the lye to break everything down and not leave any evidence. Gravel will just dry everything out and you’ll end up with a mummy in law visiting forever.
Bunch of f’ing amateurs.
There is some ground that will probably go in first, you know, to top coat everything :D
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You can call it the Mother in law space. ;)
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There is that big window above it too :D Not exactly in the stairwell, but :facepalm:
If anyone does have a, um, you know, what Lee mentioned. There will be a nominal fee, non-refundable, paid in cash, unmarked bills. And I know nothing about it....
Call it hidden staging.
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Per the plan review " Joists on the plan are depicted as 8' with a cantilever of 2'5". The cantilever is in excess of the allowed UNSUPPORTED cantilever for the 5'8" span of the joist. The illustrated angle supports at each post WILL ALLOW the illustrated cantilever." So that tells me that because we have the angle supports in, we are good to go. Just pointing out that if we didn't have them, it would not have been approved. Agree ??
Isn't a cantilever unsupported by definition?
Scott
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Not exactly. An unsupported cantilever is just a beam lying on the ground. Cantilevers must be supported somewhere. The location & type of support is what makes it a cantilever.
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Basement entry door installed this evening. The new layout room is officially closed in :D
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Calling for foundation/block inspection tomorrow, hopefully they'll be out Tuesday and give the approval. Expecting a few tri-axle loads of fill by the end of the week. Once backfilling is done, grade beams and steps poured, then the slab before it gets too cold. Mother Nature, I've been delayed enough this year, you tell Old Man Winter to stay the @#% away until the floor is done ! :RUEffinKiddingMe:
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We usually frame up then pour the floor inside a more or less protected, dried in building... Easier to keep it warm and dry for curing... Talk to your flatwork guy about that...
Lee
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Someone said I should get stoned for turkey day. I think I misinterpreted what they said.
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It's your own asphalt. :facepalm:
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Quick! Go sift out all the ballast sized fines!
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It's your own asphalt. :facepalm:
That’s funny!!
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Huge progress made today. 4 or 5 truckloads of fill material arrived throughout the day and here was were things ended this evening. Has a little bit of work to do around the back and backfill will be completed. Interior of foundation needs topped off with clean stone, as well as redress the driveway so we're not in a mud pit all winter long. But one thing for sure, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell any water is getting near the basement again with the swail he graded in.
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Hell yes!
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A little behind the times, but garage/addition is completely backfilled now. Now the waiting game until weather improves and framer gets off his current job(s)
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Really exciting to see this progress! Looking forward to updates!
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That's so beautiful that it brought a tear into my eye.
As a contractor, some one needs an attaboy.
Greg O.
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Just minor updates. I finished the foamboard installation on the concrete walls. Up next is taking out the center wall that divided the basement in half.
Sucks not having a garage, most of the $@#^ here would be in it :facepalm:
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Added temporary lighting. Will be adding drop ceiling on this side as well. Made brackets to hold the LED panels up for time being :D
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And said wall that will disappear
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Just minor updates. I finished the foamboard installation on the concrete walls. Up next is taking out the center wall that divided the basement in half.
Sucks not having a garage, most of the $@#^ here would be in it :facepalm:
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That’s AWESOME that you’ve got that much foam in, but how are you going to build a layout when it’s all vertical like that?
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That’s AWESOME that you’ve got that much foam in, but how are you going to build a layout when it’s all vertical like that?
:D
I'll figure something out :D Or the asshats here will. :ashat:
This weekend I worked on removing the center wall that divided garage from the railroad area. Found steel post in the center under the main support beam so non-load bearing wall :D Also the fact that on the front side 1 2x4 only hung on the cinder block by 5/16" or so. I got some electrical to move around for some outlets but studs will come down, get reused for new walls around the furnace to close that in a little bit and then only framing up the walls along the basement walls.
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One step closer to planning committee meetings, even if they have to be zoom call style.
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Look at all that space! So you’ll be doing York to Hagerstown mile for mile right :P
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Look at all that space! So you’ll be doing York to Hagerstown mile for mile right :P
My buddy already has the old layout envisioned for YorkRail on the bottom and Maryland Midland up top :facepalm:
Somewhere that old Hagerstown yard of @wm3798 and @Ed Kapuscinski is in storage. Maybe that will turn up here in the future :D :o
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Just chew chew chew ............. :ashat:
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I see you have a properly sized beer fridge.
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I see you have a properly sized beer fridge.
Clearly, that must have been my error, and explains why layout progress is so slow. All I have is a dorm fridge in the layout space.
Good progress, Adam. I've surely been in your shoes.
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Actually that's our freezer :D
Beer fridge is behind me to my right, seen here behind the ladder
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Both will ultimately probably end up in the new garage once finished. Can't take up valuable railroad real estate.
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Mine had a tap in the door. ;)
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That yard is built in c55 Atlas track. But even after two moves, its probably easily rehabbed and ready after a third.
I'll look forward to seeing what you can do with it.
Lee :lol:
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My buddy already has the old layout envisioned for YorkRail on the bottom and Maryland Midland up top :facepalm:
Somewhere that old Hagerstown yard of @wm3798 and @Ed Kapuscinski is in storage. Maybe that will turn up here in the future :D :o
I can only hope! I really want it to go to a good home and I can think of none better.
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He'll have to build his own damn roundhouse then tear it down after decades of neglect. It's the CSX way! Don't forget to pay off the local town council!
Grubby bastards...
Lee
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Actually that's our freezer :D
Beer fridge is behind me to my right, seen here behind the ladder
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Both will ultimately probably end up in the new garage once finished. Can't take up valuable railroad real estate.
Maybe it is just perspective of the picture but it looks like a very long beam span without a lally column. By design?
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It was previously a garage with open span, so the beam there is heavier than the one under the rest of the house. We had a structural engineer review the project, and the loads above aren't changed. The roof is trussed, so it's only carrying floor loads above.
Should be fine.
Lee
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It was also on widepan camera angle. Room was roughly 20x26 or so :?
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Thats a man cave !
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Thats a man cave !
Really. It's almost like he should have bought a 52 Ford F100 just to leave in there before they blocked up the doors! Am I right?
Oh, and Pro Tip. Beer fridges come in sizes that fit under the bench work. Although, being able to navigate the new steps up to the bigger beer fridge will be a suitable sobriety test!
Lee
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More demolition tonight. That should be pretty much it though.
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On to perimeter wall framing ! :ashat: s better start formulating some ideas, layout planning is getting closer. And this can actually become a design discussion like the thread title says
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We’re gonna need a floor plan, givens, and druthers.
DFF
P.S. Earnhardt fan? ;)
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Floor plan, provided by @wm3798 :D
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You can incorporate the old layout, as my good friend up the road wants to do, or we start completely fresh. Givens/druthers, model the CSX Hanover Subdivision :D
Earnhardt fan yes ! A piece of me died with him at Daytona that day. NASCAR was never the same since. My days following it ended when Jr signed with Hendrick. Now it's a complete wreck, pun intended. Dumb rules making a very simple concept difficult to follow. You run 500 laps in a circle, whoever leads at the end wins. No segments, no lucky dogs (is that still a rule?). Get the most points at the end of the season, you win the championship. You didn't win any races ? Too bad, you're still the champion (ie Matt Kenseth won championship without winning a single race, that's what started all this horseshit)
Off my soapbox, back to the railroad ! My buddy wants to keep the existing double deck layout, YorkRail on the bottom and Maryland Midland up top or something to that effect. I'm more of the notion to tear down, start over. I'd like to add a seating area/crew lounge and probably a propane fire place for ambiance/resale/additional heat source for when we lose power (have geothermal), also some extra heat for the basement. The only place I could vent a fireplace is the corner of the basement where Vulcan and Hampstead/Porters area currently resides.
I currently have Hagerstown yard, Security, AgCom, DalTile, Morton Buildings, Vulcan Quarry, Utz Foods, Sonoco Plastics (YorkRail), Center St, Smiths Siding, Porters, Suburban Propane, Emory Grove and Spring Grove modeled. Some extra running space between towns/scenes should be simple to gain with the added space. I'd like to add the interchanges with Maryland Midland and the Gettysburg & Northern if possible, as well as the Grit Mill outside of Blue Ridge Summit. Of course that would lead itself to Jacks Mountain tunnel ( paging @PiperguyUMD ). Since I built my helix, it's no problem if this is single or double deck. There's a handful of other industries missing, including Quad Graphics-Fairfield (no longer receives rail traffic), Knouse Foods-Orrtanna (mostly traffic during Strawberry season, they do strawberry applesauce at this location, get puree in), Agway-Gettysburg (think it's Cargill now), Hanover Logistics, Hanover Foods. Only other major traffic source would be Hanover Foods, all others are low volume/handful of cars.
I'm probably asking too much, but I do have a lot of space to fill now :D Of course, I also have to keep access available to service furnace and water heater etc so have to keep that in mind as well
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You could always backdate a few decades when it was run like a real railroad rather than as a real estate company and a hedge fund that is inconvenienced by the need to serve the few customers they haven't pissed off yet.
Just a thought.
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There was a time when the thought of building the big one would stress me out, but now that I've completed three whole modules, I might be warming up to the idea of building the big one! My thought is with so much new space, start over. I'll echo Lee, but I say take it back to 1949 so you can have short legged 2-8-8-2s shoving some beefy H9s through Sabillasville!! I know a guy that makes n scale H9s! ;) Seriously though, the beauty of N scale is the scenery to trains ratio, and even if you take advantage of that in the new space, the old layout will have a different aesthetic. Just my two cents - from a guy with no basement!!
One perk about your time period is the amount of interchange operations that YorkRail and MMID provide. If you get to Sabillasville on the MMID, I'll send you the bridge in the horseshoe curve. A few christmases ago, while visiting the in-laws, I crawled all over that bridge taking measurements, then 3d printed it for my module. If you can use it, I'm happy to hook you up!
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I am so excited for this!
One thing I'm going to mirror Eric's thoughts: I think you've done a great job of capturing much of the operation focused areas on your last revision. However, the thing missing from my perspective is one of the defining characteristics of the line: the open scenery.
(http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-04-03-CSX-D795-Gettysburg-Rte30.jpg)
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Oooh Oooh!... @PiperguyUMD there might be someone else building modules with a certain WM flavor who's still looking for a file to experiment with on his shiny new 3D printer...
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And it will be properly stenciled!
And I agree with Ed... More running room. And remember, long stretches of main line require far less attention from the MOW crew than those tangles of turnouts...
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However, the thing missing from my perspective is one of the defining characteristics of the line: the open scenery.
(http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-04-03-CSX-D795-Carrolls-Tract-Rd.jpg)
That scene could be modeled on a relatively narrow shelf, with some orchard trees in the foreground and everything beyond the tracks on a (photo) backdrop.
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I did mention right after my current industries the need for more running space between towns/stops 😁. At least we're all on the same page
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I am so excited for this!
One thing I'm going to mirror Eric's thoughts: I think you've done a great job of capturing much of the operation focused areas on your last revision. However, the thing missing from my perspective is one of the defining characteristics of the line: the open scenery.
(http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-04-03-CSX-D795-Gettysburg-Rte30.jpg) (http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-04-03-CSX-D795-Gettysburg-Cut.jpg) (http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/2015-04-03-CSX-D795-Carrolls-Tract-Rd.jpg)
Gee, Ed, was there some reason you were chasing that particular train? :rolleyes: (Nice pix, BTW.)
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Gee, Ed, was there some reason you were chasing that particular train? :rolleyes: (Nice pix, BTW.)
Lol. Well, the answer really is that "it was there", but we weren't complaining about that leader!
Here's the whole story: http://railfanning.kapuscinski.net/2015/04/good-friday-railfanning-2015-the-csx-hanover-sub-and-ns-lurgan-line/
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More demolition tonight. That should be pretty much it though.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/2695-180121202510.jpeg)
On to perimeter wall framing ! :ashat: s better start formulating some ideas, layout planning is getting closer. And this can actually become a design discussion like the thread title says
Save the Dale pictures :)
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Oooh Oooh!... @PiperguyUMD there might be someone else building modules with a certain WM flavor who's still looking for a file to experiment with on his shiny new 3D printer...
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/9-190121101122.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=22131)
And it will be properly stenciled!
Gotcha covered!
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Initial shipment of lumber picked up Sunday for interior basement walls. Approx $450 in the photo :scared: :o
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And this morning my framer sent me a text informing me my estimate is going up by approx 20% from over the summer, due to material cost increases. Wonder where the hell I'm pulling that out of ??
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The crazy part is with all of these price increases construction seems to be booming.
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The crazy part is with all of these price increases construction seems to be booming.
Which is why I'm able to keep buying stuff for my layout, but I don't have time to work on it!! :RUEffinKiddingMe:
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The crazy part is with all of these price increases construction seems to be booming.
Supply and demand.
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The very low mortgage interest rates are driving a lot of the boom.
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That and people are spending much more time at home, so they are remodeling their spaces to fit their needs. 2 people working from home, one is at dining room table while other is in the bedroom conducting zoom calls. 2 people working from same dining room table. Too much time spent in close quarters raises tension. So people are adding on a bedroom or office space, remodeling the basement etc etc etc.
I just want a damn train room !
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And with above lumber, the first section of basement wall is up.
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And I am my fathers son. He has a knack for building things just a smidge too big/long/tall. I put the frame together, threw it up to test, worked fine. Well, I went and stuck all the studs in the middle and wallah ! It didn't fit anymore, even with a nudge or 6 from the sledgehammer. Back down it came and jigsaw to the bottom to remove some from each stud. Now fits like a glove. He taught me well :D
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Jigsaw on a 2x4 probably went well.
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Jigsaw on a 2x4 probably went well.
HA ! Yeah, don't look too closely at the bottom :D
Good thing is insulation and more importantly drywall will hide that sin. Kinda like when you screw up a paint job, you cover it up with some subtle, or heavy, weathering :D
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Also, with the hopeful addition of adding a portion of Gettysburg to the new layout, the crews need somewhere to get their meals from before or after they make their set off for Gettysburg & Northern. @rickb773 had this up for sale so I snagged it.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/2695-250121210224.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=22362)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8333117,-77.2404424,263m/data=!3m1!1e3
Years ago, the restaurant had the name on the roof, but after a remodel it was removed as seen above in the google maps images.
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Are you going to be incorporating this scene?
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I might, but Rt 30 would probably be in the aisle. Even though it's not rail served, I'd think the McDermott Concrete facility would make for better scenery than the DQ :D
Fun fact, the concrete facility was rail served up until Chessie days. The siding is still there, between Camp siding and the concrete bins/walls they stored aggregate in. CSX is currently scrapping Camp Siding. They removed the turnouts years ago, and are now removing the rail this week. Kinda strange seeing that scrap prices are junk
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Initial shipment of lumber picked up Sunday for interior basement walls. Approx $450 in the photo :scared: :o
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/medium_2695-240121165152.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=22335)
And this morning my framer sent me a text informing me my estimate is going up by approx 20% from over the summer, due to material cost increases. Wonder where the hell I'm pulling that out of ??
You should have seen the bill for this stack of lumber. The only engineered lumber the builder used was a big honking gluelam beam to support the clear span center of the double carport. I mean... damn.
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Well, I'll be seeing a much bigger bill once the framer gets here. He sent me a text today to update me on his estimate. I originally got one from him over the summer, but due to my mason flaking out on me, I lost my spot with the framer until now. He said with material price increases, he said to expect a 20% increase to the estimate. :scared: :o
Where the hell am I pulling 20% from ? I don't think I can reach that far..... :facepalm:
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For 8 bucks those studs should cut themselves :trollface:
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More like frame themselves. :trollface:
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And with above lumber, the first section of basement wall is up.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/2695-250121204018.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=22361)
And I am my fathers son. He has a knack for building things just a smidge too big/long/tall. I put the frame together, threw it up to test, worked fine. Well, I went and stuck all the studs in the middle and wallah ! It didn't fit anymore, even with a nudge or 6 from the sledgehammer. Back down it came and jigsaw to the bottom to remove some from each stud. Now fits like a glove. He taught me well :D
A $29 Harbor Freight circular saw might serve you well.
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Or cutting them right the first time 🤷♂️🤣
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Are those 2x4s? If you're just studding out over the foam board, you can use 2x3... They're about half the price. You have to sift through the pile to get decent ones, but they'll not only cost a lot less, they'll open the room up by a few precious inches. For the bottom plate, just get treated 2x6 and rip it in half.
Also, you can run those 24" o.c. because there's nothing structural going on there. Every penny you save is a penny you can spend on turnouts and rolling stock.
This extra space can be allocated to the aisle spaces, since with COVID, we're all getting really fat. When we can finally have that first ops session, there will be a lot of jostling for space!
Lee
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I'll move to 24s but I'll just stick with the 2x4 since already acquired. It took awhile to find them, as they weren't in correct bay at store. Everyone will just have to diet before attending an ops session. You'll look better, be healthier ( less chance of getting sick witb covid/flu/whatever else gets released or mutated) and fit your clothes more comfortably 😁. Look at all the good im doing 🤣
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I think it would be a good idea, if not code even, if the plate were pressure treated.
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Plate is treated 😁
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Plate is treated 😁
Ah, very well then. The pressure treated SYP products just aren't what I'm accustomed to seeing. ;)
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You know a layout build is about to get good when the owner is building out a new room for it. At what point do we get to see some sketched out dimensions/track plan feelers? Gets the blood going!! :D
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You know a layout build is about to get good when the owner is building out a new room for it. At what point do we get to see some sketched out dimensions/track plan feelers? Gets the blood going!! :D
Damn covid gets in the way. Planning commission has yet to set an initial meeting date/time. Layout will be based on the CSX Hanover sub from Hagerstown to Baltimore. Proto photos can be found here, using links from Hanover Sub, East Sub, York branch/sub on the left of screen
https://wmwestsub.us/main.htm
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Holy crap, are those 2x4s gold plated?
Up here 10 ft goes for just over $7 (9.35 in our CAD). Everyone says that lumber has gone up in price, but these costs are ridiculous, especially when we grow and produce it up here.
I guess Canadian lumber industry prefers to export to get USD for it since they consider us, local buyers, unworthy. Instead, big box stores import Grade F lumber from China and South America to maximize profits and they still sell it at rip-off prices. Sigh.
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Drive your truck down here .. and sort through the pile ..
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Those are 6.11 at my Lowes. But they're also about 6 " too short. I'm getting the pre-cut 9'
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Those are 6.11 at my Lowes. But they're also about 6 " too short. I'm getting the pre-cut 9'
I'd almost be tempted to splice a 2 foot section .. since they aren't load bearing ..
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I'd almost be tempted to splice a 2 foot section .. since they aren't load bearing ..
Exactly. Convert to 2x3s (at under $5 a piece) go 24" o.c., scab in the top, or leave it naked and build a light valance around the top of the wall. You'll save $1,000.
Lee
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I don't know how often you guys splice you linear lumber, but whenever I do, I curse myself for not just buying the dimension I need, because the amount of sawdust created is just ungodly. I'm really tired of cleaning the "outside" (the driveway) each time I splice.
Sorting through the pile...that's another story. Usually someone had already gone through the pile and picked the best pieces, while leaving a total mess to try and find something left.
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because the amount of sawdust created is just ungodly. I'm really tired of cleaning the "outside" (the driveway) each time I splice.
Sawdust and some cheap hobby acrylic paint = ground cover .. double score :)
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Also, with the hopeful addition of adding a portion of Gettysburg to the new layout, the crews need somewhere to get their meals from before or after they make their set off for Gettysburg & Northern. @rickb773 had this up for sale so I snagged it.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/22/2695-250121210224.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=22362)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8333117,-77.2404424,263m/data=!3m1!1e3
Years ago, the restaurant had the name on the roof, but after a remodel it was removed as seen above in the google maps images.
I lived in Gettysburg for a little bit. In the late '70's, what was the old Reading train station had become Tommy's Pizza. Eastbound trains would often stop for a crewmember to hop off the engine, go into Tommy's and return a few minutes later with chow. Sometimes I would see westbound trains stop just short of Carlisle Street and a crewman would go into the Lincoln Diner.
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Drive your truck down here .. and sort through the pile ..
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I wonder what the 3-star reviews are saying.
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I wonder what the 3-star reviews are saying.
To be honest, I think that sentence in their description: "Our lumber is a premium blend of Spruce, Pine and Fir" is a misnomer.
SPF lumber is far from premium, and is really a bottom dwelling variety used in common construction projects, because it's cheap, soft and of questionable quality.
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I made lots of sawdust today while the snow fell outside. I didn't bother going out to clear anything. Pain in the a$$ with a stone driveway now. I'll wait until Monday. Just got the call I'm off anyways due to weather.
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I still have to finish the bulkhead on the far wall to accommodate the upstairs plumbing access.
It was only after I had finished for the night that I realized I screwed up a possibly very important measurement. There's a possibility of Ed K's/Lee W's Windsor st/Hagerstown Yard finding a new home here and it measures in at about 14'. I have a little more than 14'between right wall and the sump pit but thought didn't cross my mind as I was more concerned with how I was going to do the bulkhead section so I just laid out an 8' treated on the floor, marked for the doorway and built a wall up. I went back down and measured what I had left, 13' 6". :facepalm: :RUEffinKiddingMe: Of course, nothing is pinned down on where towns on the layout will be yet in the new space, but then again, if Hagerstown was put there, the layout could be planned around it being in that location. So we'll see what the planning commission comes up with comes up with ....
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I think it’s funny that I have already had the pleasure of operating on that yard both east and west of the Chesapeake Bay at Lee’s and Ed’s homes, respectively. If I’m lucky enough to someday come join an ops session at your house and if you put that yard into service, then I’ll have operated on that same yard both south and north of the Mason-Dixon Line, too. That’s a well-traveled yard!
DFF
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A quick glance at one of my original planning drawings has the end to end dimension at 13'2". But if memory serves, it was actually closer to 14'.
@Ed Kapuscinski should be able to conjure up the hard dimensions for you.
Lee
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I see a miter saw in your latest picture. Why on earth were you cutting studs with a jig saw if you have a miter saw?
You are using hot dip galvanized nails through the treated bottom plate, right?
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I see a miter saw in your latest picture. Why on earth were you cutting studs with a jig saw if you have a miter saw?
You are using hot dip galvanized nails through the treated bottom plate, right?
I had the wall built and didn't want to knock it apart to recut the studs. If it had been a load bearing wall, everything would have been knocked apart and redone. There's only 1 stud that's wonky :D I did good for the situation :D
And yep on the nails.
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At least he didn’t go full redneck with a chainsaw.
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At least he didn’t go full redneck with a chainsaw.
And a riggin' ax :lol:
Greg O.
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No basement work today due to snow removal. Did get unofficial measurement on Windsor st/Hagerstown yard length though. I have approx 13' 6" currently before making any changes to my new wall location. @Ed Kapuscinski sent me a scale drawing of the yard and it looks damn close to 13' 6" :o Now it's got me wondering about track configuration and using it, if I can make some changes to it to better match the prototype. One of the giveaways of Hagerstown yard is the power tracks, which under Western Maryland days was the caboose tracks. They sit within a wye that leads to the south yard and is the connection to NS Vardo yard. Need to find room for YD Tower as well. Currently, thats missing on the yard. Given the yard as it stands now, I think I could figure something out over on the right hand side, within the blue circle in the image below. Of course, that would be if I can make the changes per Ed and Lee's permission :D I'll have to look into the lease agreements and paperwork that go along with the deal, find a lawyer to read the fine print. I imagine the resident lawyer @davefoxx is either already retained or will recuse himself from the situation
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Thoughts from the :ashat: crowd
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Lol, oh man, the barren nature of that area was one of my favorite things about the yard!!
But I love the story arc of that area getting rebuilt. There's plenty of space to work with.
One other thing, if it's an inch too deep, it's easy enough to modify given that cut was done down the middle of the tangent tracks.
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Straightening that end out and putting the Burhans overpass in, along with YD and the power tracks will make that even more Hagerstowny than I had it with the roundhouse. In fact, you could include an interchange track as part of the wye to add inbounds from the N&W, and even model the museum with its caged dinosaurs out by the parking lot!
Go for it, I say!
Lee
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Action on the addition side of things, signed contract with the framer this evening. I was shocked to hear he said lumber will be here on Tuesday and he will begin on Wednesday at the latest probably ! :o Last we talked, he had 2-3 weeks of work before me. It's about to get real around here.
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Did he say which Wednesday?
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Did he say which Wednesday?
Yeah, this Wednesday. Like 5 days from now :o He's not Intermountain :D
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Layout materials arrived today.
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I wonder when the stuff of the addition is going to show up. Framer wants to start this week
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Well, I guess that was material for the addition :D Daughters room got decked today
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You should tell your daughter that you’re going with vinyl siding on the new interior walls of her room to match the existing wall. :D
DFF
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We got walls !
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Trusses arrive on Wednesday
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Whoa.
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Couple more photos on addition progress. Been a while since I've posted here, but we got roof on and closed in. Started on siding and have most of rough electrical in. Waiting on an exterior door and structural deck posts to continue those projects.
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More exterior updates. 14 pages in, when do we get to the design discussion part ?
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Almost finished with siding and soffit/fascia work. Addition passed rough in electrical and hvac, time to start insulation work
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I don't know, but this feels like a golden spike moment.
Congrats Adam!
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The crawl space under your daughter's room will be perfect for a huge staging yard.
Lee
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With much of the upstairs work done, focus has shifted to the basement. I started hanging some board this morning before the side gig duty called. Now full time gig is calling as I'm back on night work. Will make progress this week as no one will be home during the day and I can make as much noise as I want. At least after I get some shut eye
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Right now, this is where I envision Hagerstown yard being placed. Really need to get a planning session on the books soon
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At least after I get some shut eye
Eat in off crew and sleep when you're dead. :trollface:
Scott
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It's funny you mention the sleep when you're dead part. 20 years ago, my dad said that all the time when I wouldn't get up in morning to go to breakfast or on a job with him. Fast forward to today, and now all my dad wants to do is sleep in on weekends. We've come full circle :D
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Will it fit ?
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Oh yes, and you won't even have to spit on it!
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So a little construction update
The little teaser above shows 161.5" +/- in the space that I possibly envision what once was @wm3798 Hagerstown Yard, then @Ed Kapuscinski Windsor St yard, and what will again become my Hagerstown yard to go. Here is a full shot of that area.
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The little room to the left closes off where the sump pit is and the crawl space entrance for under the bedroom addition. I had no previous knowledge of how long above mentioned yard was, nor did I have the idea it would end up here, or this could be the spot it will go (it's still just a possibility, need to gather the :ashat: for planning committee). So I just measured off so far away from the pit, built the wall and said let the chips fall where they may.
Here is what Ed sent me yesterday when I asked for yard dimensions
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Adding those numbers up gets you 160.5" ! The yard will drop right into place almost like it was meant to go there. So maybe it's not a possibility, that's where it's going to go. Going back to when the yard made it's first transfer from Lee to Ed, it was a very similar situation, although if I remember correctly, it was a little bit of a tighter squeeze to get it into Ed's space (TWSS) . I'll let Ed tell that story if he cares to.
Getting excited.
And here's the whole new layout space, as you will see it entering from the garage stairs, with the old layout space in the distance. Which, depending on who you talk to could 1) be left alone as is and become the York branch of G&W on the lower level (Hagerstown yard now becoming Windsor St yard :o ), the upper level becoming the Maryland Midland, 2) be completely torn down and re-incorporated with the new layout with area left for crew lounge etc. Things are yet to be figured out, but many options on the table.
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This makes me smile broadly.
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Is Prince your interior decorator? Why purple on the walls?
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Is Prince your interior decorator? Why purple on the walls?
The purple is mold/mildew etc resistant. Basement conditions, couple bucks difference.
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As one who was fortunate enough to operate in this yard on both Lee’s and Ed’s layouts, I can’t wait to operate on it in its third home!
DFF
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Helpful drywall hint... Hang those boards sideways and tight to the ceiling. That will eliminate that 2" gap at the top of the wall and move it down to where it's easily covered with a baseboard. Also keeps it out of contact with the cold floor (condensation... you're protected against mold and mildew, but not against mushy drywall...)
Also puts the long horizontal joint right where you want it to make taping a breeze.
You'll also find it's a lot easier to hit the studs with the screws when you can see them... and all your light switches are right there at the 4' height, much easier to cut out the holes.
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Lee
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Too late 😁
Drop ceiling going in here, so probably won't see that joint at top anyways. And I do have it gapped at the floor so no contact. This was a solo job so it was easier to hang vertical.. Plus these new boards got X's at 16 and 24" so as long as your spacing is good, it's a breeze 👌
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Helpful drywall hint... Hang those boards sideways and tight to the ceiling. That will eliminate that 2" gap at the top of the wall and move it down to where it's easily covered with a baseboard. Also keeps it out of contact with the cold floor (condensation... you're protected against mold and mildew, but not against mushy drywall...)
Also puts the long horizontal joint right where you want it to make taping a breeze.
You'll also find it's a lot easier to hit the studs with the screws when you can see them... and all your light switches are right there at the 4' height, much easier to cut out the holes.
Lee
Quoted for truth but understand that it’s too late.
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My old boss would tell his carpenters "if you don't think you have time to do it right, what makes you think you have time to do it over?"
:D
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Totally agree on the sideways sheet rock idea. Made life much easier for me finishing the train room as someone who had never before done drywall.
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More progress in the basement ! Got most of joints taped and mudded a second finish coat yesterday, some was still a little soft this morning. But this section was good and dry so on with the primer !
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Also added to the freight car fleet today as well. Being as I'm on night work this week, it just so happened to align with a huge N scale Stout auction that ran today. I had initial bids on the lot below and another that had 16 coil cars in it. That one went a little more than I was willing to spend, but I think my boxcar fleet is pretty much maxed out now
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So my buddy and I took at trip to @Ed Kapuscinski house to check out his progress on the New Northern Central layout he's building. I ended up coming home with the CSX Hagerstown yard for 3.0. This was previously Ed's Windsor St yard and originally Lee Weldon's WM Hagerstown yard.
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Now it's serious. Local :ashat: need to clear a Saturday or Sunday off their schedule in order to gather around for planning session !
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It made it!
I'm so glad it's "home".
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That yard sure gets around :)
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And because I'm impatient :facepalm: :RUEffinKiddingMe:
Had to see it for a test fit
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Couldn't ask for any better fit than that.
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Finally… a Real Yard Sale! :D
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Even better than a real yard. No cutting the grass or trimming the edges needed. :lol:
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I still have the roundhouse, just in case you come to your senses and model a real railroad, and not that real estate company that only runs trains when it has to.
Lee
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I still have the roundhouse, just in case you come to your senses and model a real railroad, and not that real estate company that only runs trains when it has to.
Lee
Lol
I actually have thought about that space and might be modeling the roundhouse just before demolition, broken windows, roof falling in, scrub brush/trees growing
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Lol
I actually have thought about that space and might be modeling the roundhouse just before demolition, broken windows, roof falling in, scrub brush/trees growing
That'd be punk rock AF.
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Lol
I actually have thought about that space and might be modeling the roundhouse just before demolition, broken windows, roof falling in, scrub brush/trees growing
Dooooooooooo it!
DFF
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In that case, you can't have my roundhouse! :trollface:
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Maybe a little more abandoned than this ?
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In that case, you can't have my roundhouse! :trollface:
LOL
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Today was final inspection day on the addition and it passed. I'm just waiting for zoning officer to stop by with the occupancy permit and it's official
Once that arrives, it's game on for CSX Hanover Subdivision 3.0 !
Stay tuned :D
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Today was final inspection day on the addition and it passed. I'm just waiting for zoning officer to stop by with the occupancy permit and it's official
Once that arrives, it's game on for CSX Hanover Subdivision 3.0 !
Stay tuned :D
Woo hoo! Congratulations!
DFF
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Today was final inspection day on the addition and it passed. I'm just waiting for zoning officer to stop by with the occupancy permit and it's official
Once that arrives, it's game on for CSX Hanover Subdivision 3.0 !
Stay tuned :D
No need to let a little thing like a permit stop you from laying tracks.
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No but my permit was up this weekend, so it was full bore on addition work. Now that that's taken care of, things can shift focus to the layout
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I too echo DFF's comment! That's great news Adam!
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Congratulations on completing the addition! Really looking forward to seeing your progress!
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Occ permit in hand, and project officially complete ! Now full attention can be put towards the basement and the layout !
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Woo hoo! Fire it up!
DFF
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Before any layout construction can start, have to work on ceiling first. Before ceiling can go in, need to close in the ductwork. Got a good start on it today before work.
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Using material I had sitting around, it's constructed from 2x3. We could probably use it as an engine hoist. At one point, we were both hanging off of it, probably a combined 400+ lbs :D
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I finished up building bulkhead around the hvac ductwork this evening. Some drywall and we're ready for drop ceiling.
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While my friend was here helping last weekend, he looks at me and says " You're going to hate me.......... You're going to hate me.......... What if you take the wall out that the TV is hanging on, rebuild the wall coming across, move your hot water heater to beside the furnace, and then enclose everything into a mechanical room ? "
Please excuse the mess ! Still a disaster area....
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The HWH is just out of view to the right on back wall of house, to the left of that is pressure tank and water softener. If we were to do all this, the wall you see with TV would basically pivot 90* to close off the opening to it's left, move HWH to beside furnace and enclose it all. Workbench is going to be moving to the garage and I'll have a smaller desk to work from for working on models. This is all still very fluid and nothing decided yes or no.
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This is the stage to do it. And now that the possibility has been seen, if you don’t, you will probably regret it. My wife will tell you all the scope creep stories of my old and new house, but in the end each change made it a significantly better project and we were always happy with the results.
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Our home when built was deliberately designed with all the mechanicals in a separate room. At the time not specifically because of trains but because it made the rest of the basement wide open clear space so we could do anything we wanted with it. We even went a little extreme by positioning the mechanicals room at the far end of a long rectangular shaped basement.
After living here for almost 20 years I can honestly say it was a great decision. No odd restrictions to work around building my layout and an overall increased utility of the entire basement for "basementy" stuff.
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You can save space and eliminate the hot water heater. If the water is already hot, you don't need to heat it.
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Slowly getting there...
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Ken threw a picture of the V&O track plan at me this evening. On first look, the general flow might be something to ponder on .... 🤔
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This was posted in a FB group, looks to be from RMC March 1973
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Well if the staff at MR can do we be MR&T as this years N scale project layout I think
Adapting the V&O would be top shelf.
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@mu26aeh,
Allen McClelland expanded that version of the V&O before it was dismantled. You should try to find that track plan, too, because he made some interesting modifications to the old section during the reconstruction, e.g., the revision of the yard at Jimtown and the addition of a staging yard in the dispatcher's office.
Hope this helps,
DFF
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I have a few thoughts on using the V&O plan.
First, the subject is very different. Obviously you know that, but it means that things like vertical separation doesn't make the same sense it did for Allen.
Second, the V&O was visionary, but it also included very pioneering ideas, both good and bad. There has been a lot of thought on layout design since.
If you haven't read it, go get Thomas Klimoski's book: https://www.thomasklimoski.com/book It's worth every page.
I think you were also talking about primarily just using the V&O as an inspiration for flow and fitting things into your space. From that perspective it's a smart thing to do, just keep those things in mind.
Also, I am hereby volunteering to help develop the plan. I think I've said that before, but I'm making it official now.
You can ask @DeltaBravo about how that's (mostly) worked out on his WM layout.
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I think you were also talking about primarily just using the V&O as an inspiration for flow and fitting things into your space. From that perspective it's a smart thing to do, just keep those things in mind.
Also, I am hereby volunteering to help develop the plan. I think I've said that before, but I'm making it official now.
You can ask @DeltaBravo about how that's (mostly) worked out on his WM layout.
Yes, merely as flow and fitting. Kinda like I did with @Bendtracker1 bench work plans for my current 2.0.
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Little bit of sanding, then some paint. Ready for drop ceiling soon !
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Think I'd rather ballast than mud....
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@DeltaBravo and I did some horse trading and I ended up with this beauty. Could it be ? Perhaps I'm backdating my layout to the days of WM steam ?
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Is that the roundhouse that used to be Lee’s? I’m sure he’d love it, if you were to install it, fix it up nicely, and then abandon and tear it down. :trollface:
DFF
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Is that the roundhouse that used to be Lee’s? I’m sure he’d love it, if you were to install it, fix it up nicely, and then abandon and tear it down. :trollface:
DFF
No, Lee said his roundhouse was off limits. For some reason he doesn't trust the kitty company :?
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No, Lee said his roundhouse was off limits. For some reason he doesn't trust the kitty company :?
He hates the C&O for what happened after the C&O took control of the B&O and then what the C&O/B&O did to the WM when they took control it. I was modeling the C&O the first time I met him. I was afraid he was going to kick me out of his house when I posed two C&O GP9s on his Casselman Crossing scene.
DFF
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Well, now I gotta give more room for Ag-Com, as I'll need to model the parking lot and truck loading to showcase these new models from Baldylox
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1135313190/n-scale-feed-trailer?ref=shop_home_active_1
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Picked this up today, thanks to @wm3798 , now I got a place to store all of my equipment. And buy a whole lot more :D
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Here's assembled pic, map/blueprint cabinet. Lots of storage potential there 😁
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I love me one of those! But they are pricey though.
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I love those things. In my home county public schools they have those in most classrooms. I always used them as my desk and got rid of the standard desk. They store an amazing amount of stuff.
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These drawers possibly held some very iconic drawings/layouts/prints at one time. Per @wm3798 , these belonged to the gentleman that was behind the Tootsie Pop Owl 🦉 and the Scrubbing Bubbles ads 💭💭💭😁. That in itself makes these twice as cool. Think I'm going to get a few pics framed up to go with it wherever I place it in the basement.
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Aw geez, it has history to boot? That is just icing on a already nice cake!
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These drawers possibly held some very iconic drawings/layouts/prints at one time. Per @wm3798 , these belonged to the gentleman that was behind the Tootsie Pop Owl 🦉 and the Scrubbing Bubbles ads 💭💭💭😁. That in itself makes these twice as cool. Think I'm going to get a few pics framed up to go with it wherever I place it in the basement.
It may take three licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, but there are four lights. :D
DFF
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It may take three licks to get to the center of a Tootsie Pop, but there are four lights. :D
DFF
When I looked for a bubble emoji, the thought bubble popped up. I see now they do look like light bulbs :facepalm:
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Grabbed a shot at Center St. Looks like maybe the remnants of a D797 continuing to Smiths with a few cars for YorkRail, after dropping cars off in the yard that will be taken back west to drop off at their final destinations. Rock runner power sitting on the inner most thru track, with the lone 4 axle power sitting on the house lead. Crews need this to switch out some of the local industries in Hanover as 6 axle power is not permitted on some sidings
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Wish I could just snap my fingers and my basement construction was complete. But as they say, Rome wasn't built in a day
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Ooh, I’ve got one of those! Mine’s wood, six drawers and is perfect for model stuff. My neighbour obviously didn’t have a use for it and dumped it the back lane - my investment = $0.00.
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These drawers possibly held some very iconic drawings/layouts/prints at one time. Per @wm3798 , these belonged to the gentleman that was behind the Tootsie Pop Owl 🦉 and the Scrubbing Bubbles ads 💭💭💭😁. That in itself makes these twice as cool. Think I'm going to get a few pics framed up to go with it wherever I place it in the basement.
It's true. My sister's father in law was Gene Azzam, and he was the creative force behind WB Doner, who handled all sorts of national accounts. After starting out in Detroit, he transferred to Baltimore to head their agency here. In addition to Dow Chemical's scrubbing bubbles and the legendary Tootsie Pop owl, he also did ads locally for the National Brewing Company (remember the National Premium ads with the guy sitting at a table out in the middle of the water with sharks circling around him while he calmly sipped his beer?) among others. He was a wryly funny guy, an amazing artist, and a wordsmith of the highest order. More importantly, he raised his son to treat my sister right.
Make good use of that cabinet. It's got a good vibe to it!
As for that roundhouse, I can send you some diagrams to help you update it...
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Lee
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I just sorted my pics on my phone to create a train stuff folder. Its been a long 4 years but I had a lot of other stuff going on as well with the new house. I truly understand the want of a magic wand at this point.
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Can just about call drywall work on the "garage" side of the basement complete. Hopefully some time will come up to get the ceiling grid up soon.
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Next up, have to move the workbench and TV, the wall that it's hanging on will be moved a few inches out, have a doorway cut into it to make a mechanical room (without moving the water heater as mentioned a pages back). Spring Grove will need removed from the rest of the layout at that point to build the end wall. Time to start packing up buildings and putting cars back into their cases for now.
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Pixelle is out of business
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Guess I better get back to drawing.
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Guess I better get back to drawing.
Crack that whip 😁
Maybe have a few ideas by next weekend from @wm3798 if schedule holds up
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Slow progress today, only got the TV off the wall and Spring Grove extension removed. Hopefully tomorrow wall will come down and new ones going up around the water heater/softener etc. Decided moving the WH wouldn't really result in much given the work involved in moving it elsewhere, so it will stay and get enclosed.
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Long time and no updates. Well here's all that's available. I got the mechanical area walled up, and a door installed, with just enough room to clear the water heater.
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This week features an entire week away from the full time job, and has been completely devoted to basement time. I finished off spending too much time trying to figure how to work around some plumbing in the ceiling/on the wall, to finally realize I'm way overthinking things. Ran 2x2 instead of 2x4 rest of the way up the wall, drywall, mud and wahlah ! Finished last section of drywall. Tonight finished gridwork for drop ceiling on the other side. My cousin will hopefully be here Saturday to run a new lighting circuit.
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Busy day in the basement today ! Cousin stopped by this morning to rewire the lighting circuit and got all the lights wired up. I spent the afternoon getting all the full tiles in place. Just the border pieces left to finish up.
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Another step closer !
PS: You may need sunglasses during operation sessions. At least no one should complain about not reading the car numbers :D
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I love when I find research material for the Hanover Sub. Jacks Mountain Tunnel is not easily accessible, requiring a good hike from where you can park. And it's all privately owned land around the tracks so unless you have owners permission you're trespassing to get there.
Something else I never knew until recently was the infamous " Door to Hell " . The story here is many years ago, when the line was under Western Maryland , a property owner nailed a solid oak 6 panel door to a telephone pole along the tracks. He would decorate the door with seasonal holiday decorations for the passing train crew. When the property owner passed away, the door was no longer decorated but still remains. Crews have since named it " The Door to Hell ". Here's a picture of it taken in early 2022.
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How has that door not rotted away in the decades since the WM was merged into CSXT?
DFF
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How has that door not rotted away in the decades since the WM was merged into CSXT?
DFF
It’s painted Oak.
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I'm not exactly sure but apparently it's still in very good condition. Plus, how about the nails not rusting/corroding out that are holding a solid oak door :o
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Tis' protected by the eternal power of Hell. :scared:
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It’s painted Oak.
“Nope, it’s oak.”
~Lt. Col. Henry Blake
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“Nope, it’s oak.”
~Lt. Col. Henry Blake
4077th?
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oh man that's some great footage! Made me realize I've missed the mark on a few things!
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2 more walls sections almost complete. Have to fill in the top section. Ran wire for outlets. 1 more section of wall to frame out.
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Getting closer, but not nearly fast enough for me ......
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Don't forget those metal plates that get applied to the studs in front of the waste pipe, so you don't put a nail or screw into the plumbing during drywall installation. You don't want to find out the hard way some day that you pierced the poop pipe.
https://www.lowes.com/pd/USP-5-in-x-2-in-16-Gauge-Galvanized-Protection-Plates/3374518
DFF
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I promise one day soon, there will be construction photos of the railroad being posted. But it's just more 1:1 remodel photos. Got the front wall studded out, insulated, drywalled and first mud/tape coat on. I have to cut a panel out where my geothermal lines come down the wall and out the wall. I left this as an access in case anything ever needs serviced/replaced etc :scared:
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End wall same deal, but only a couple sheets hung. Going to build a box or something to hang over the cleanout pipe
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And finally the back wall, lower section studded and insulation hung. Still need some studs and pipe protectors for the upper section, frame out the window area
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Hung final sheets of drywall this weekend. Started thinking of ideas. First was @wm3798 old Hagerstown yard going on this wall, and possibly lengenthing it by a few feet.
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Then while at work late last night, another idea came around. Yard still goes on that wall, but instead of returning as Hagerstown from the past Windsor St, instead it moves a little further west and becomes the G&W YorkRail Lincoln yard 😳
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That seems like a good plan for that yard. I look forward to operating on that yard once again in now its third home. :D
DFF
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It's better suited to be Lincoln Yard, anyway. Way too small to really represent Hagerstown.
Looking forward to bumping cars there again.
Lee
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No more drywall against the wall, no more framing lumber. Floor cleaned up for most part. Getting closer. What do we see going along this wall ?
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The Main Stage. ;)
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2nd coat of paint on the walls, new window installed and cased out. Remounted the ceiling angle grid and have about half of the ceiling tiles put back in place. Did some clean up and organization.
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Next project is taking the rest of the layout down off that dividing wall so we can start with a fresh space. I think..... I've been back and forth on taking it down, but if my last idea for the new layout is what I'm going to end up doing, it's coming out. Maybe..... Stay tuned to find out.
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Well, I didn't get anyone screaming at me to keep the wall, so with me being off work this week, it was my goal to get the basement layout construction ready by the end of the week. So today, I said " Tear down that wall ! "
So I did :D
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So today, I said " Tear down that wall ! "
Nice job, Mr. Gorbachev!
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While cleaning up/moving stuff this morning, I did some preliminary doodles. This would be the extreme version of the expansion, not sure this will happen. Have to wait and see
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Okay. Enough scribbling.
Here's a 3/8" scale drawing of the basement in the raw. (in the attachments here) I removed all the old partitions, because I'm pretty sure you did too!
Verify the interior dimensions shown, then sketch in what you've already built (the furnace room etc) The stairway should be pretty much in the right place, but we can go ahead and verify that as well. Include your new work dimensions to the half inch.
I'll lay in the new infrastructure, then you'll have a clean sheet of paper you can work on to scale. I can also send you a .dwg file so you can import it into whatever track planning program you might be using. OR, you can print it out 18x24 so you have a scale print, then sharpen your pencil. Perhaps the infinite number of monkeys playing along at home can also download and print, and we can see how many useful ideas emerge...
And fer cripes sake, work on your penmanship!
Lee
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Paging @Ed Kapuscinski :D
Ed has the dimensions with new walls etc drawn up on his computer.
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I'll have to check our contract. I'm not sure he's an approved subcontractor... :D
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I'll have to check our contract. I'm not sure he's an approved subcontractor... :D
He has been MIA by his own admission. But it's been a habit with subs on this whole project, so why would it change 😁
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Maybe start with the givens and druthers list ...
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Yes. oh hey. I'm here. lol.
Lee, I do have dimensions, but they're not really going to be in a format handy for you since I've got them setup in Railmodeler pro.
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Can you import at DWG file to that? I can send you the basement, then you can tweak it to what you need.
If you've got it in a track plan design system, you really don't need me, which is fine. I'm swamped for the foreseeable future (That's why you haven't seen any layout updates for me!)
Back to lurking...
Lee
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21 pages in and we've finally got something related to layout design
Definitely.
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Finished new benchwork for under Lincoln Yard ( nee-Windsor St Yard, nee-Hagerstown Yard) and set the two pieces in place for a test fit. Seems a lot smaller than when it was on the trailer coming from Ed's place.
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Finished new benchwork for under Lincoln Yard ( nee-Windsor St Yard, nee-Hagerstown Yard) and set the two pieces in place for a test fit. Seems a lot smaller than when it was on the trailer coming from Ed's place.
I would be tempted to salvage track and start over ..
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I would be tempted to salvage track and start over ..
Lol, I don't think Adam wants to deal with the blasting permits that'd be required to get it out of that grout.
Besides, there's a good plan emanating from it. Slowly.
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Lol, I don't think Adam wants to deal with the blasting permits that'd be required to get it out of that grout.
Besides, there's a good plan emanating from it. Slowly.
What Ed said, re the grout.
The only thing I'm not loving given it representing Lincoln is the 3 track mainline running along the wall :?
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Apply your scenic landforms of choice, e.g., foam and lightweight spackling, right over the unprototypical tracks against the wall and hide them.
DFF
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The three tracks originally served as a double track main with a long controlled siding. It worked well as "not so hidden" staging.
I put it there for Ed's benefit, to have someplace to hold an incoming train while he dicked around switching the A/D tracks. While we never actually operated the yard as part of a session, the idea was to provide a bit of flexibility to prevent the yard from becoming a choke point for thru traffic.
In my solo experiments, it worked very well.
I also used it to hole up a train that was headed for east staging, to give me the opportunity to move a train out of staging to make room for it.
I wouldn't remove it just yet... maybe paint it out as a weathered, disused siding, but keep the turnouts functional and the railhead shiny... you'll be glad you kept it.
Lee
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The three tracks originally served as a double track main with a long controlled siding. It worked well as "not so hidden" staging.
I put it there for Ed's benefit, to have someplace to hold an incoming train while he dicked around switching the A/D tracks. While we never actually operated the yard as part of a session, the idea was to provide a bit of flexibility to prevent the yard from becoming a choke point for thru traffic.
In my solo experiments, it worked very well.
I also used it to hole up a train that was headed for east staging, to give me the opportunity to move a train out of staging to make room for it.
I wouldn't remove it just yet... maybe paint it out as a weathered, disused siding, but keep the turnouts functional and the railhead shiny... you'll be glad you kept it.
Lee
It was very helpful for all of that.
But in Adam's case, the yard will basically be a terminal (with just a tiny bit of industrial switching beyond it).
That said, don't get the dynamite out quite yet homie.
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Leave it in and set out deadline equipment on it.
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Don't worry, I've been looking at prototype area and am finding some plausible solutions for the situations. And I've already passed ideas onto Ed. :D
I have some track repair to make in a few spots, couple bad switches, patch track where the yard was split, will make good time to make a few small changes to the track arrangement
And none of the ideas mention tearing it out :scared:
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I’ll co-opt a phrase from disc golf, my other huge hobby, for when you’re designing a course “it’s much easier to remove a tree than it is to add it back”, which, like, it’s easier to lay track than grow a beautiful huge tree, but it’s still the same idea :D
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So after getting both sections up in place, I took bright boy and went across all the track. There is 1 busted switch, and and least 2 that are glued shut 🤔. Lack of Atlas code 55 turnouts turned me to ME turnouts. A slightly different geometry coming off the frog required realigning the tracks. Well, here's the result
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Track is removed but didn't go without a fight, as my nippers are RIP. Pulled out the multi-tool to clear the grout. Now I need a new pair of nippers :|
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I have a considerable stock of Atlas c55 track and turnouts. PM me if you'd like a stab at it. I doubt I'll ever use it again.
Lee
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And they say the yard grew by 10" that day
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Have all the yard tracks patched back together. I'm thinking of installing a crossover into the inner most "main line" and the outer yard track and using that track as a lead to the LPG terminal that is just south of Lincoln Yard
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Below is a link to Google Maps where you can see Lincoln Yard in the center, and the NGL Supply Terminal just to the south. Also shown is the Lehigh Cement plant further to the east, which is currently in the first pass thoughts of the design, which will be to the left of the yard exit in the photo above, as that area will dead end anyways.
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9468539,-76.7725746,1237m/data=!3m1!1e3!5m1!1e4
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Finally dove into rewiring the bus today on first half of yard
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And with a heave ho back up half the yard went, little screw here, little screw there, plug thingy into the wall, hit a few buttons on the DCS 50 and wah-la ! Trains are rolling again in Lincoln/nee-Windsor/nee-Hagerstown Yard
I figured it would only be fitting to see YorkRail's pair of CF7's, kits from @randgust , 1500 and 1504, to be the first occupants of the yard.
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Have a few minor adjustments to turnouts and slide switches to make, and we'll get started on the other half of the yard tomorrow
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This makes me so happy.
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Me, too. I’ve operated in that yard on both sides of the Chesapeake Bay, and I hope to one day be able to say that I ran on it on both sides of the Mason-Dixon Line.
DFF
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@davefoxx Gotta tell @Ed Kapuscinski to get cracking on layout planning 🤣 I'm just going to start randomly building benchwork and filling the gaps 😅
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@davefoxx Gotta tell @Ed Kapuscinski to get cracking on layout planning 🤣 I'm just going to start randomly building benchwork and filling the gaps 😅
Haha! He’s not done yet? Might be time to farm it out to a different contractor. 😉
DFF
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My guess is he's actually had constructive zoom meetings :D
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How do you think I feel? I haven't had anything grow 10" and still work in YEARS!
Outstanding work, Grass Hopper. Now, to map out a place for that train to go!
All the best,
Lee
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I ran a few new feeders, ran new bus lines and all new connections to that using T-taps. Those things are pretty slick. Part of the day was spent trying to get throw rods and slide switches to come together for the turnout control. I figured 1 out but gave up on the other. It's an easy access with nice open area under benchwork, figured I'd work on that another day. I had already gotten the west end of the yard wired up and tested over the last week, so finished up the wiring on the east end. I probably should have tested that side independently of the other but figured what the hell, I'm rolling the dice. I mounted the base cabinets to the wall, and heaved up the benchwork for the 2 halves up and screwed them fast to the wall as well. Bridged the gap with few benchwork splices and laid in the track between the 2 sides. Connected the bus wire between the 2 halves and had the feeling that Clark Griswold had as he put the extension cords together. Fire up the ol DCS50 and apply track power. Silence. No smoke. No beeping. No display screen going on a blitz. Took my 2 CF7s and proceeded to run back and forth across all the tracks, thru all the turnouts. Everything ran fine except for 2 turnouts. 1 was really confusing at first, between it has no power to the frog, or even a slide switch, but was still causing a short. Started comparing the problem turnout to others nearby and noticed the gaps on the offending turnout were really tight compared to others. So I sandwiched my xacto blade into the gaps and opened they up. Ran train back thru and no issues ! The other turnout I guess I have the polarity reversed on the slide switch as the track shorts out as the engines head into an open switch. If I throw the turnout against the train, it proceeds thru the turnout ending in a derailment. I'll work on that tomorrow. In the meantime, I did manage to shoot a short video showing the CF7s (randgust kits) firing up and going across the west end
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Adam,
Kudos on finding the cause of the short. Get some styrene in that gap, to prevent that rail from moving back into a bad position.
DFF
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Had a buddy over today and did a shake down on the entire yard. Simply flipped around the slide switch and corrected the polarity problem. Have a couple dead spots to correct where a turnout had to be replaced but good to go pretty much everywhere else !
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I'm going to have to write an article about the Brotherhood of the Travelling Yard...
The full history actually pre-dates me. Almost all of the track and turnouts in the yard came to me from Jerry Britton after he tore down his N scale layout and converted to HO. That's how I was able to build so quickly on such a meager budget. And the turnout controls with the click pens were inspired by the work of Kevin Beck @justTRAINcRaZy who in turn followed an article in one of the magazines for his build.
Good to see it up and running... AGAIN!! I'll have to build a new slug for my BL-2 so it can get back to work!
All the best,
Lee
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What happened to the old slug, @wm3798?
DFF
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Regrettably I had to sell it to pay bills after The Great Migration. I kept one BL2 with DCC, and I also have one of each WM paint schemes in DC.
Lee
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A trip to Ginos and @Ed Kapuscinski house resulted in an IOU for a turnout to replace one that was out of service. I got it installed and all yard tracks are now back in service.
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Still need to get a throw mounted for the next turnout over. Ed added these two tracks as power tracks. I've decided to leave them in place, but remove the turnout from the other end and shorten them slightly. They will house a grain facility on the back side of Lincoln Yard. Those style grain bins are not readily available in N scale, but Model Train Industrials does have 2 different versions on their Shapeways shop though rather pricey even in the lower grade plastic/resin
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9472969,-76.7746843,145m/data=!3m1!1e3
https://www.shapeways.com/product/2SA9SAZCD/n-scale-45-degree-24-diameter-x-55-4-quot-high-b?optionId=128855077&li=shops
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Didn't IMEX do some bins like those?
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Don't think they're even close to tall/large enough. Might still have to go HO
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@mu26aeh
You could also consider Iowa Scaled Engineering 24' bins (matches the measurement off Google Earth), with their extension rings, and a scratch built base... slightly cheaper but not by much. 3d printed as well which may explain the price point. You could also poke around and see what @spookshow did for his similar bins.
Sam
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Meh. Get a couple of scraps of 2" PVC pipe, scribe them in a lathe, and build up the structure with strip styrene. It'll cost you about $12, $25 if you detail it with brass ladders etc.
Lee
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I never thought about the lathe approach. My dad has one 🤔
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We might be able to modify these ..
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I have it drawn up for 24x48
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I never thought about the lathe approach. My dad has one 🤔
I was thinking it would be fairly easy to use a fine tooth razor saw to scribe the corrugation into it. You'd just have to clamp it so you can hold the blade parallel to the tube and apply pressure evenly so the whole blade contacts it from top to bottom. Should take about 20 seconds each.
If you get good at it, I'll take a few!
Lee
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@John , Using Google Earth, I get 30' diameter and 70' tall. Got a minute ? :D
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@mu26aeh
You could also poke around and see what @spookshow did for his similar bins.
PVC, Campbell's corrugated aluminum foil, and various bits of strip styrene -
(http://www.spookshow.net/layout6/layoutf439.jpg)
The tops and bottoms are resin castings I made using a Rix top and an Imex bottom -
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-Mark
P.S. My apologies if you can't see the pictures. My website is not https and some browsers don't like that.
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Spookshow, that is a very interesting solution! They look great.
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In no obvious order, a lot of different avenues of work was done in the basement this weekend. My dad does flooring installation and almost always has some extra material leftover, especially with laminate flooring to account for waste etc, or gets deals on the end of a run on a color he orders. The carpet was a free remnant from Lowes after they couldn't find the item in their system, they said lucky day, it's yours. About 25% of the basement now has something on the floor.
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I pulled up all the tracks where I spliced the yard back together and spread some glue, put them back in place. Also removed the crossover to the inner most track that I'm using for LPG transload. The idea there is it's actually a fair distance behind Lincoln, so I'm going to make crews at least run all the way to the east end of the yard, and reverse back to swap cars out.
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I relocated all the electronics into a castaway cabinet from my dad (he also does custom cabinetry, can't remember what was wrong with this one). I need to get a CPU style fan for ventilation
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Lastly, while cleaning off the car storage cabinet (large flat surface attracts various tools, cars, buildings, whatever you seem to be holding at one point or another) so I could attach some benchwork framing to the walls, I moved mocked up buildings to the back corner of the yard and an idea popped into my head. I could reconfigure some of these outside mains to represent various sidings of the Lehigh facility on the east end of the yard. Since most of this version of Lincoln yard is "close enough", I figure why can't Lehigh be close enough as well. These buildings are just set there in "get out of the way " fashion, with no intention of actual placement.
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One of the great things about planning in 1:1 is when you see these opportunities that would not exist in any other form of planning. Not that it totally makes this the best way to do it, but it is one of the advantages.
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Little bit of ballasting today, a few ties every night :D
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Little bit of ballasting today, a few ties every night :D
This makes me laugh.
DFF
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Thats the goal @davefoxx
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Thats the goal @davefoxx
Victory!
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Even layouts go thru the aging process. Getting older, turning grey
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Few more ties covered this afternoon
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And a few more, few more ties and most of the black is now grey. I tell ya, I know everyone has their own methods for doing things, but if you want to try to make ballast work a little easier, get yourself a bottle of Ballast Magic. I love the stuff. No more messy water/glue mixtures.
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The yard is really looking good Lee, I mean Ed, I mean Adam!
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Work got in the way today, but did manage to cut some OSB to cover atop the storage cabinet.
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What do you do with a 24" tall and 44" wide helix that's not in use for the time being ? Put it in the corner out of the way. This may be temporary, or it may be permanent with a staging yard and track for continuous running during open house events, as our initial thought process ended with a point to point railroad.
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No solid plans/drawings yet, so I'm just slinging benchwork blind for the time being, seeing what comes of it. First up is getting out of Lincoln yard heading towards Zarfoss Rd
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This area hosts 4 industries to switch, Gordon Recycling and Frito Lay plants on the left, and Georgia Pacific and Kinard Warehousing on the right.
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Finished up the night with some forest floor mix (ground foam colors and dried tea leaves) to camo the turnout throws.
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Next up will be figuring out some track work for the Lehigh facility, since I'm pretty sure at this point it's going in the corner
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Not a criticism, but what is that ballast color? It looks really, really light for a yard.
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Not a criticism, but what is that ballast color? It looks really, really light for a yard.
It's Scenic Express Light Grey #50. Lincoln is pretty light in color present day. I do plan on "weathering" some areas with airbrush or rattle can so it's not quite as uniform
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9482567,-76.7757368,422m/data=!3m1!1e3
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Hoping to be slinging benchwork next week as I have a week off of work. Was supposed to be off this week but my covered tested positive for something 🤔
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Slowly turning a corner
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I'm still making the corner, more like just spinning. I think I've come to realization I can't just sling benchwork and see what works with this layout. It's THE layout space I've always wanted since we moved into this house. I want to get it right without having to get to a point and start over again. @Ed Kapuscinski was over a while back and we roughly came up with an idea of what could be done but I'm not sure it's trying to fit 10 lbs of #$% in 5 lb bag. The biggest issue I have is trying to make sure access is maintained to the electric panel, HVAC and water/well equipment.
Wants:
York Sub, have Lincoln Yard installed already ( @wm3798 yard ) This is more or less on layout staging, or a terminal yard, nothing east of here
Spring Grove (PH Glatfelter paper mill), have this from last layout, will rebuild if needed
Other industries in between if room, no big deal if not.
Porters Sideling
Smiths Siding ( YorkRail interchange )
Center St yard
Utz Foods
Vulcan Quarry (Bittinger)
Morton Buildings (if room)
DalTile
AgCom
Gettysburg & Northern Interchange
Horseshoe Curve/Jacks Mountain Tunnel
Specialty Granules/Grit Mill Blue Ridge Summit
Highfield (Maryland Midland Interchange)
Security-Holcium Cement
Hagerstown Yard
In the easterly direction of Porters, there really isn't anything left to serve, except for Suburban Propane and Emory Grove (eastern Maryland Midland interchange) and CSX is now requesting that be shut down. But this trackage does have the rock runner loads east/empties west from Vulcan/Bittinger
Double deck is doable (done on the last version of the layout)
Sorry to cut short, but work break is over. Wanted to get this out there, esp locals that know the area and what I'd like to get accomplished. Besides, this is still a design discussion. So lets hear some thoughts.
I don't have a pic of basement dimensions here at work, I'll add later, or if @Ed Kapuscinski sees this he can upload a pic
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I think I've come to realization I can't just sling benchwork and see what works with this layout.
That was my mistake on the M&O .. just started building benchwork as I went along .. I'm too far into it now to do a specific locale / railroad without major surgery .. so spend more time planning, less time rebuilding ..
The biggest problem I see with MMID and Hanover is lack of trains - MMID has a couple of them a day - which is OK for a lone wolf, but what if you want to host 6 or 7 people .. but if you want to be true to your prototype, it's probably worth doing a realistic schedule with a smaller crew for proto ops, and have enough staging to do extra run throughs for larger ops sessions where you can keep a few more operators busy doing roundy roundy ...
Another option is have some specific scenes from hanover you listed, then add some additional options along the way .. progress and urban creep :)
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You did strike on one thing I was planning, and that's the schedule/hosting operators. I like the fact this sub can be run by only a few people, solo if needed. If I want a few guys (or gals ) over, great, plenty of work. If I want to run a train after work ? Can do that too. I was figuring Hagerstown yard operator, another for 795/797 (depending direction), stone train, and YorkRail turn. Can now add Lincoln Yard, though the YorkRail crew could do that too. Was never thinking beyond 4-5 people.
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You're modeling a pretty lightly traveled piece of railroad here in the 21st century. There's a reasonable limit to the amount of traffic that it HAS to support.
There's a dwindling number of shippers, but a couple of bulk commodity industries (paper and stone) that are paying most of the bills, so CSX will continue to humor the outfits that prefer rail to trucks. So you've probably struck a good balance there.
The real question becomes, how much layout do you need to effectively model that? The road traverses some magnificent countryside, so there's the opportunity for those few trains to really stretch their legs between active scenic vignettes, which I think is one of your priorities, so keep that sense of distance. You also put your heart and soul into creating that space, so adding some run length will help get some return on that investment.
But keep in mind, as John has noted, and I learned from my layout, there's a break even point where the amount of work to build and maintain the layout begins to detract from the amount of time enjoying it. But, if your design ultimately features a few more intensely modeled areas connected with some long, simple to wire, simple to maintain sections with little more than landform scenery, maintenance will be less of an issue, and construction of the negative space could be done on simpler, more narrow shelving, which would open up the room to more uses for your family when the trains aren't running. (Valuable lesson learned from @seusscaboose .)
So seek balance. I think you have an ideal operating scheme. Scheduled trains showing up at the yard, and getting broken down into local traffic, and local traffic returning to the terminal so that can be hauled away by scheduled trains. Operations with 1-5 crew is also more manageable than a layout that can't function without a cast of thousands. Not everyone can be available on ops night, so the ones that can make it will have a pretty stress-free session to handle the couple of trains on the board. With that in mind, if you want to have a bigger jam session, you could consider just running an open house style session like Todd Treaster does. Set aside the switch lists for a night, stage a bunch of trains to just run, and everyone gets a turn.
Design the layout to be able to have continuous roundy round, even if you don't run your scheduled ops that way. Give yourself some flexibility. But don't build more than you can handle on your own.
Just my 2 cents.
Lee
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In other news, I have a Anycubic Photon Mono X on the way, I'll be able to keep up with Ed K printing scavenger hunt items to hide on others layouts 🤣
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In other news, I have a Anycubic Photon Mono X on the way, I'll be able to keep up with Ed K printing scavenger hunt items to hide on others layouts 🤣
I have a file for the bridge that goes in that horseshoe curve you were talking about :D
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I have a file for the bridge that goes in that horseshoe curve you were talking about :D
You mean this one ?
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.7730647,-77.4098335,3a,35.3y,246.72h,91.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sKFYqP0e87fnCoG8Zk-IctQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
That's a ways off in the build, but might be the first thing to print :D
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That would be a fun one to build. One Christmas when we were visiting my wife's family in PA, I drove down and took all kinds of measurements of the bridge in Sabillasville. I'm sure Lee will point out that I omitted the cast in "WESTERN MARYLAND" but other than that, this one is spot on.
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Sploosh
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Yeah, got to give it the sploosh
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Sploosh
?? Is that a good thing?
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Kind of, I think 🤔
Google it and determine yourself 🤣
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:facepalm:
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Guess you could say you showed off some modeling porn and they got excited :o
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Guess you could say you showed off some modeling porn and they got excited :o
I guess you could say he was entering a zone…of danger! Lana…Lana…LAna…LANA!!!
Danger Zone
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Signalling is so far down the line of things to do :D
I need the signal bridge at Hagerstown and that's about it
This one?
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That would be the one.
Edit: Actually I might need 1 signal from OP. Looks like their might be a signal protecting CP town on the north side that a westbound would encounter coming into Hagerstown after crossing Pennsylvania Ave
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I posted the raw 3D print photos in the weekend update. Figured I'd post the cleaned up, painted versions on the layout thread. 3 Walinga style bulk feed trailers for AgCom and 2 bulk conveyor/unloaders for YorkRail Logistics. Models by Baldylox Designs. Now need to find some International Prostar and Mack Vision daycabs for AgCom fleet.
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The first of 3 CSX Pride In Service units arrived on the sub today. CSX 3194, Honoring Our Law Enforcement. My first Broadway Limited unit, Paragon 4.
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Is it just because they are white, or are those stanchions huge?
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I think it's a little bit of both.
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How are you like the unit so far?
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It's only moved about 12" back and forth, checked lights and sounds. Back on box 🤣
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It's only moved about 12" back and forth, checked lights and sounds. Back on box 🤣
Toss it and a mate in the truck tomorrow. They might be able to do a few laps through York.
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Might as well post the family picture as well. Been a long time since I programmed anything, and first time with BLI.
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While the design and build are languishing, I'm still acquiring rolling stock. For some unknown reason :facepalm:
Took delivery today of the new release of ExactRail 6275 cuft boxcars.
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Someone tell me you can never have too many boxcars.....
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Ye who dies with the most cars wins.
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Ye who dies with the most cars wins.
My grandfather was one of the first that I remember having that bumper sticker, very early 80's. And at the time, I felt that he was the winner in that. They had a lot of "toys", as that was what the OG sticker said
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Enough with the basement empire, just going to go with a 4x8 and call it a night
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In all seriousness, a friend had this stored in a garage where the property owner recently passed away. He was worried the garage/property might get cleaned out before he was able to move it so it is now in my basement. Maybe helping him finish his layout will get me flowing back to working on mine.
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Making Lincoln look a little more Lincoln.
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Scratchbuilt from Evergreen sheet. I had to flip the truck loadout due to space constraints in the other direction. Still have to add the head house etc, but I need to get a better photo to see what is actually up there. Building shown in the google maps link below
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9474031,-76.7781797,85a,35y,51.75h,42.15t/data=!3m1!1e3
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Been in a funk the last couple of weeks on how to proceed with the layout build. What to include, where to locate it. How much can I fit, what do I skip out on. Since I had the yard up and rewired, I'd go back to kicking cars around while thinking where to start. I began slinging benchwork without a plan, that only got so far before I stopped. I don't want to get to a point without a plan where I have to tear down and get started again. I'd go back to kicking cars again. Looking at the yard, I realized I wasn't going to be happy with the way it was for what I was using it for. The elephant in the room was the 3 track main around the outside, specifically on the right side where the single track YorkRail main will come out of the yard, 3 tracks were right there at a 90* angle. Finally came to the conclusion that just wasn't going to work. So down off the wall it came to the floor.
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Out came the marker and straightedge, then the jigsaw. Having done the deed, I reworked the benchwork underneath and put it back up on the wall. Notice the area that was home to the roundhouse is now gone as well.
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Not to worry, I have plans for the 3 track main and the roundhouse grounds at a later time.
I cut a new piece of board to fit in the corner. This area will be the YorkRail office, truck scales, and maintenance building along with YorkRail Logistics facilities. I started with the loadout shed that transfers materials (mostly grain) from hoppers to trucks. This is all Evergreen siding material. I still need to add some trim material around the corners and the roof edging. I flipped the truck shed 180*from the proto due to space constraints. I'm waiting on some caged ladders to continue with that building. There are a few transload tracks in the yard as well, so I cut in another turnout, ran a track on the outside of the loadout and tied it into an existing turnout that I cut the siding out for the loadout. There is also a pair of grain silos on the south side of the yard that I relocated to the back right side of the yard. @John has graciously drawn up the plans in TinkerCad for me. With the weather warming up, I'm hoping to unpack my 3d printer I bought for Christmas and get it set up.
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On the left side corner, I took the first track and cut it out about 10" after the turnout. This will be a switcher pocket for the NGL Supply Terminal, where I can spot 4 LPG tankers for offloading and have another 4-5 on the next track over.
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With the added momentum, I had a few friends over to shoot some ideas around, get some new eyes on the basement and try to hammer out some town locations. Everyone was sent home with a couple copies of a sketch of the basement to do some doodles on. One thing we did figure out is the main design element I(we) need to figure out is where Porters Sideling will go. This is where the CSX Hanover Subdivision meets the York Sub. CSX comes in from the west and turns 90* to head south to Baltimore, while the York Sub turns to the northeast to York. This will ultimately determine how much of the York Sub I will model. On the previous version, I had the PH Glatfelter paper mill in Spring Grove modeled and will be again on 3.0. It may have to be rebuilt depending where it will fall in the new plan.
Google Maps link for Lincoln Yard and NGL Supply Terminal
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9530575,-76.7753762,795a,35y,180h,44.73t/data=!3m1!1e3
Google Maps link for Porters Sideling
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.8307971,-76.8942351,521a,35y,180h,44.81t/data=!3m1!1e3
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Holy *****, that's awesome. I love it.
I swear there's an article for Model Railroad Planning in this whole thing.
Hmm.
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@John graciously offered to draw up the grain facility silos for me that will be on the west end of Lincoln Yard. After a few tweaks and me setting up the software figuring placement and functionality of supports (auto support did majority of the work), I fired up the Mono 4K and set off into the great unknown of 3d printing. Here's the result.
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I need 2 of these, so once the first was deemed a success, back for round 2. I also fired up the Ender and have a 6 pack of @Ed Kapuscinski K mounts printing as well
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That turned out really nice .. You should be able to print the center section flat on the build plate
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The whole scene is coming together nicely. But now I don't want my yard back! :D
I'll look forward to doing some switching in YOUR yard. I love the bulk terminal. Lots of ops potential in a small space.
Lee
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@John graciously offered to draw up the grain facility silos for me that will be on the west end of Lincoln Yard. After a few tweaks and me setting up the software figuring placement and functionality of supports (auto support did majority of the work), I fired up the Mono 4K and set off into the great unknown of 3d printing. Here's the result.
Do you have a .stl file(s) that you would mind sharing? (The NPPX would be grateful to use a few)
Thanks,
Ed
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Here's my silos dry fitted. Some clean up but super stoked about them. Elevators, ladders and such finishing up on the printer soon.
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Home from work and more finished parts.
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Glued up my silos this evening. Sanded everything flat for a nice fit. Have a couple spots to fill but look great.
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Also continued on the loadout building. Rix elevator and Gold Metal safety cage ladders
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2 unicorns showed up in the mailbox today thanks to Central Jersey Conrail in N Scale. Joe is back dating his layout by a few years and mentioned stripping and repainting cars instead of selling them. I knew he had these two from watching his ops videos so I contacted him and offered him some trade fodder.
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Now I can go to train shows with a blank shopping list
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Working on a design can be hard for some, easy for others. For me, it's been like trudging thru wet cement with concrete boots. I've had the Lincoln yard, Zarfoss and Spring Grove parts for a little bit, added Porters Sideling today. The south leg of the wye runs to the front wall and turns on the long wall, where I'd have Emory Grove somewhere along there, and it will dead end in the corner. This will allow somewhere for the CSX Rock Runner to go from Bittinger in Hanover.
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Looking good Adam..
Keep it going!!
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So one deck or two?
Looks like you're leaving enough space for the family room to be a family room. Good thinking.
Lee
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We have a family room upstairs, we're not that high up on the income scale to have 2. Need more trains :D
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Well, it's been crickets from anyone against the idea so benchwork started this week.
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Just going to have to deal with a sideways shot. :x :RUEffinKiddingMe:
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Nice to see real dimensional lumber in use.
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16oncenter
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Home from work and more finished parts.
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Hawt.
Filling a gap in N scale kit offerings, I see.
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Hawt.
Filling a gap in N scale kit offerings, I see.
Yeah, some of this facility would be easy if Walthers scaled down some of their HO offerings but no :RUEffinKiddingMe:
Wish I had the time and talent to learn how to draw this stuff up, but thankfully I have good friends here at TRW that help me out with that.
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Bridged the landing today
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Across the landing, track level is knee high, so I'm already planning to add plexiglass across that area. This will turn to the left on the other side of stairs (liftout to easily access the electric panel closet in the distance), and meet up with the south leg of the wye at Porters Sideling. As it turns, I'm planning for a turnout to lead up to Suburban Propane
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16 on center is flexible. Also pre drill some 1 inch holes to run wiring. Looking good
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Yeah, some of this facility would be easy if Walthers scaled down some of their HO offerings but no :RUEffinKiddingMe:
Wish I had the time and talent to learn how to draw this stuff up, but thankfully I have good friends here at TRW that help me out with that.
That sums up why I have not invested in a 3D printer. So limited if you don't have the CAD skills, but I guess that is beginning to change.
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Peter, there are lots of free sources for 3-D files available online. There is also a number of marketplaces where you can get professionally drawn files relatively cheap. Many of them are under five to 10. Then after you bought that file, you can print it as many times as you need to. For example, there are lots of ubiquitous scenery details that you would spend lots of money purchasing from Walther or other retailers that you can print for less than $.05-$.10 worth of Resin or filament. A decent 3-D printer can be purchased for under $300 and provide lots of detail parts for you. I still don’t think the 3-D printing is a replacement for a high-quality injection molded part but it’s getting very close.
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Got foam down today. Cut some cardboard to draw out proposed track layout of Emory Grove/Glyndon figuring I'd screw something up, instead of drawing direct on the foam. Well I think I nailed it on the first pass. Time to transfer it to the foam. Cork and track to follow.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-171223195504.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37303)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-171223195515.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37304)
Main usage here is a place for loaded csx rock runner to tie down. New crew arrives, unload train (magnets under loads), runs power out the south end past Glyndon, run around train and take l empty train back to Hanover (Vulcan). There is space for 3 SD50s/ES44s and 30 MTL rapid discharge hoppers. Double end siding on the east side allows both railroads to pick up/drop off. Rock runner and MMID would not be in town at same times. MMID only has about 2' of modeled mainline so at best, 2 locos and a few cars sitting there.
In the future, there may be a liftout across the door to continue train to Annapolis Junction and/or staging. Only concern/issue there is during open house events, I will have people enter thru the garage, which is where that door leads to. But again, that's in the future, and a maybe situation.
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Calling it a night
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Every time I read the title to this thread my brain sees "CSX Hangover Sub."
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Looking good Adam .. how many cars do you think you are going to interchange there? With a little more expansion you could do reisterstown lumber to give you an industry
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Adam -
Would it deviate from the prototype too much to swing the two tracks closer to the backdrop at the far end before turning across the doorway?
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Looking good Adam .. how many cars do you think you are going to interchange there? With a little more expansion you could do reisterstown lumber to give you an industry
Just a handful, it seemed every time I was down in that area there wasn't a lot of cars sitting there either direction. Besides, I'll be dropping cars off for you to deliver to Reisterstown Lumber :D
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Would it deviate from the prototype too much to swing the two tracks closer to the backdrop at the far end before turning across the doorway?
That curves that way I can get the Glyndon station and Butler Rd overpass modeled. If I flip from the prototype, you wouldn't be able to see this
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/7/medium_2695-030918203553.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=7263)
https://railfanguides.us/baltimore/map2/index.htm
(https://railfanguides.us/baltimore/map2/IMG_0816.JPG)
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Track is secured
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-181223230049.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37317)
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Looking good .. check out Lance Minheim's site for a removable bridge design that can go across the door ..
https://lancemindheim.com/about-us/removable-bridge/
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Boy, you are making really good progress!
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Boy, you are making really good progress!
A lot of pent up ambition. Basement has been mostly finished for 2 years and I've been itching to build, but no track plan held things up. Now I'm getting certain sections planned out so once I figure it's a go, it's a mad dash before I talk myself out of it 😁
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Every time I read the title to this thread my brain sees "CSX Hangover Sub."
I have it on good authority that more than one WM man referred to it as Hangover, PA...
Lee
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First train running on 3.0
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Track feeders are dropped and DCC is hooked up.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-201223230429.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37340)
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Peter, there are lots of free sources for 3-D files available online. There is also a number of marketplaces where you can get professionally drawn files relatively cheap. Many of them are under five to 10. Then after you bought that file, you can print it as many times as you need to. For example, there are lots of ubiquitous scenery details that you would spend lots of money purchasing from Walther or other retailers that you can print for less than $.05-$.10 worth of Resin or filament. A decent 3-D printer can be purchased for under $300 and provide lots of detail parts for you. I still don’t think the 3-D printing is a replacement for a high-quality injection molded part but it’s getting very close.
That assumes I have the computer to run the printer software. Chromebook only here. Printers still seem to need a lot of adjusting and TLC to keep operational. There's more to my decision to hold off for now.
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Tinkercad should work on a chromebook
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I just had the opportunity to see this in person.
The scale is incredibly impressive. It's going to be awesome to see it all come together.
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First train running on 3.0
Good to see you used the right train. But you'll need to work on that caboose...
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So as mentioned in WU, Lincoln Yard got moved this week.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/medium_2695-231223221632.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=37376)
It's not an optical illusion you're seeing, I set it at an angle from the back wall on purpose. You always hear about not running your track parallel to the edge of your benchwork, why not apply that to benchwork and your walls ? This will allow the yard lead/mainline coming out of the yard to curve out along a narrow shelf to reach the other side of the mechanical room in the basement, leading to a few industries in the area of Zarfoss Rd. Here is the view looking from the mainline into the yard, crossing Rt 462. And a link to Google Maps Street View of the same area
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-231223223455.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37377)
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.9476882,-76.7809476,3a,30.8y,83.16h,88.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1szDUfOhpgYivpz18m1PtKFw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu
And first cars into the relocated yard are this months MicroTrains CP 60' weathered/graffiti boxcars
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-231223224023.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37378)
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Moved my workbench tonight. I had a piece of countertop from a removal job of my dad's. Just happened to fit in space at end of yard. Good spot for repair of bad order cars and locomotives, and viewing of the TV too.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-251223215931.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37401)
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While working on decaling a few cars, I started looking at the track just in front of my new work area. Looked at Google Maps on the east end of Lincoln Yard. I had toyed with idea earlier with putting a siding in for Lehigh Cement but decided against it. Now with the yard moved into a new area, thought crossed my mind again. I should stop thinking, it just causes more work....
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-291223015937.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37459)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-291223015954.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37460)
Good enough, it's a somewhat tight bend but I'll make it that no power is allowed past the curve, so crew will need to drag enough idler cars out of the yard to make their sets/pulls. So I looked things over this morning only to realize that the current track configuration would not allow a trailing point turnout there and be able to get a train over to that track. Well damn it. Call out the track crew. A few hours later and re-configuring the number, size and orientation of turnouts in the area, we now have this
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-291223020256.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37461)
This really captures the Hokes Mill Rd crossing now. The far right track is somewhat buried and used for deadline or MOW equipment, middle track is the main coming thru and out of the yard, and far left will be the siding leading to the left for Lehigh. And looking at it just now, I'm probably going to have to add 2 more turnouts so crews can access that far left track in the upper left corner and not take that curve into Lehigh. That upper siding is for an LPG gas transload facility.
Did I mention thinking causes work ??
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(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-291223154036.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37474)
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Looking good Adam -- the biggest pain I am experiencing is trying to reuse all the subroadbed with the 2 cases of code 55 track glued to it :)
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Luckily I haven't found anything that Ed grouted in place
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I like the cement dealer, it reminds me of a local aggregate yard that has a similar configuration. They use a trackmobile to switch and cars have to be spotted in a certain order for unloading. If you scroll down to splitrocks323's post from December 31st 2020 he has an aerial and explains the industry in detail:
https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/industry-switching-questions-cement-silo-12217374?&trail=50 (https://forum.mrhmag.com/post/industry-switching-questions-cement-silo-12217374?&trail=50)
I know you are over at MRH so may have seen it. Some cement plants require inbounds sorted in a similar fashion, so it's a chance to apply similar ops on your setup in you feel so inclined 8)
Enjoying the progress lately!
Lucas
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Luckily I haven't found anything that Ed grouted in place
You'll need amfo.
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Another industry goes online for YorkRail, Kloeckner Metals. They'll receive loads of plate steel
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-301223232840.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37620)
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Next up, Suburban Propane coming north from Emory Grove. I think I can reuse the roadbed/base and realign the main, seen in red as rough estimate. Cut down the benchwork to fit the corner. As it goes to the left, there will be a lift out across the doorway to the electrical panel
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-010124213934.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37688)
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So continuing on this side of the layout, I set out today to get Suburban Propane laid out. I inquired about the siding on a CSX Hanover Sub FB group but got no answer. But I remembered Google Earth allows you to get measurements/elevations from it. I thought the siding was higher than the main and sure enough, according to GE, it's almost 6' higher. I got the benchwork built and cut the foam for the base. I use cardboard sheet to draw the centerlines on so I don't make a mess of the foam if I draw them incorrectly.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-050124235906.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37762)
After getting the plan drawn, I cut the cardboard following the mainline, then trace the centerline onto the foam. Repeat process for the siding.
Now to get the rise/grade for the siding, I used more cardboard sheet, including my cutoffs (reduce, reuse recycle ) and stacked them on the benchwork, gluing them in place, then placed the foam on top. Then I took a rasp and shaped the hillside between the main and the siding.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-060124000342.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37763)
Then the fun part, laying the cork and track. Think the grade came out fairly good. Will have to make sure I install a derail there, don't need any LPG cars rolling out and onto the main. There's a road crossing just south of this location.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-060124000546.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37764)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-060124000558.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37765)
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Some land forms added in Glyndon and Emory Grove.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-110124152711.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37894)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-110124152723.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37895)
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And tonight next section of benchwork is on the wall. This area will be around Zarfoss Rd, Rt 462/Rt 30 bypass west of York, on YorkRail. There will be 3 industries and 5 tracks to work. Gordon Recycling, Frito Lay (2 tracks) and Kinard Warehousing (also 2 tracks).
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/37/2695-130124225934.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=37931)
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Since it was Ed K birthday, I decided it was only fitting to work on layout. Next section has roadbed down
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-230124025204.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38167)
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More progress
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-250124153233.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38204)
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Interesting industries: box factory and rail nipper production, or is that a team track? :D
I like the flow of the trackwork. It'll be a good looking scene when it's done.
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I've only used Lombard one time .. but happy customer and the Maryland tax and spenders don't get to charge me money
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Roadbed and tracks are in . Industries might go online by Sunday.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-270124005250.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38226)
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Adam, can you share a Google maps link for the real spot?
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Prototype views of Zarfoss Rd
https://maps.app.goo.gl/BfYsuvKEXH54HfjZ6
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/VYFss9xMK3xTTbRo6
Hmmm. No rail service... but there could be!
Lee
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https://maps.app.goo.gl/VYFss9xMK3xTTbRo6
Hmmm. No rail service... but there could be!
Lee
Maybe I'll move them into the old The Lumber Yard building next to Frito Lay. Siding was still there, but turnout removed and hadn't gotten a car since very early 90s.
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Also thanks to @John the Lincold Yard grain facility is coming along nicely
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-270124200013.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38257)
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Also thanks to @John the Lincold Yard grain facility is coming along nicely
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-270124200013.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38257)
Looks real good .. After the Ravens win :trollface: :trollface: on Sunday I'll draw up the rest of the stuff for it :)
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Interesting that to get to either of the tracks with flat cars on them, a switcher would have to enter the building, or, do they use some type of carmobile to move them?
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Interesting that to get to either of the tracks with flat cars on them, a switcher would have to enter the building, or, do they use some type of carmobile to move them?
Where are you talking about ?
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It might be Voith Hydro?
There looks to be two spurs going into the building with trailing point turnouts.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Zarfoss+Rd,+West+Manchester+Township,+PA+17404/@39.9484055,-76.790003,559m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c88b6ee5e22c63:0xec70c3a0be640595!8m2!3d39.9455539!4d-76.7962313!16s%2Fg%2F1tfz122k?entry=ttu
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Interesting that to get to either of the tracks with flat cars on them, a switcher would have to enter the building, or, do they use some type of carmobile to move them?
It’s likely similar to the GE Turbine plant here, they have an interplant layout with a turntable and everything because they build the turbines on flatcars and then either transfer them to a heavy haul flatcar, big rig, or a heavy lift helicopter.
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Oh, those flatcars are for moving stuff around their yard. They don't go anywhere. Also of note, I believe they are ex WM flats
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Voith Hydro plant about 7 o'clock to Weldon solutions. right above the wye track
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Voith Hydro plant about 7 o'clock to Weldon solutions. right above the wye track
Yep, figured it out after reading follow up comments
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Its quite the "model railroady" track arrangement
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(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/9-020224151806.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38318)
Here's your sign!
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No pictures tonight but YorkRail has now been granted access westbound out to the Rt 30 bypass. Hooked up track leads to buss, fired everything up. No shorts ! Ran engines light from Zarfoss the Lincoln, picked up a cut of cars and took them back out to Zarfoss. No power drop outs, no derailments. Even across the lift out, no issues.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-040224181640.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38394)
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I turned a corner (literally) tonight, and installed the Baker siding/run around. This will allow the Zarfoss job to pull into the runaround, drop their train and head back in the other direction. Also allows them to switch out the Kloeckner Metals siding which is a trailing point siding going back into Lincoln yard.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-100224233508.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38554)
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Lurking and loving it
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Benchwork has turned a corner, literally. I set out to get the benchwork up for Spring Grove today. This will be the home of PH Glatfelter, now Pixelle, a large paper mill. They have a chipping plant just up the road and use conveyors to move the chip on the plant property and store in large piles, as well as a few coal trains a month even though they've recently changed some of their operations over to using natural gas. Plenty of inbound and outbound boxcars and tankcars, covered hoppers. Should provide a lot of switching if I can get all the track planned out correctly. I've also included a track chart laid out over a satellite image
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-160224225312.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38706)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-160224231114.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38709)
Tracks E, F, and K are no longer used or in service. As matter of fact, where K is located is now a truck shipping dock and some claim as the hardest truck dock in the USA. I'm certain it's very high on the list.
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Great progress -- I'm beginning to think I picked the wrong subdivision :)
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Sketching Spring Grove, getting closer to having it figured out.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-190224232407.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38837)
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Might bring the track going from right to left ( S ) another foot or so closer to the bottom of photo, but that shortens my switching lead on the left lower corner. It that case, I may bring cars thru the loop shown in the first photo, but not sure how often they use that track in real life. I'll need to check with my sources
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Marching on to Porters Sideling ! Return loop leaving Spring Grove drawn up today. Still have some work on the Pennsy side of the mill to finalize turnout location.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-200224204926.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38844)
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Marching on to Porters Sideling ! Return loop leaving Spring Grove drawn up today. Still have some work on the Pennsy side of the mill to finalize turnout location.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-200224204926.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38844)
Maybe move that curved switch away from the joint to to give you a place to put a tortoise or other mechanical under table linkage ..
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Agree with @John
Those curved turnouts can be finicky, and having it across a joint like that could be trouble.
I suggest you carve out the foam and put a solid run of it under the turnout if that's the best location for the alignment (which it looks like it is).
You might also re-frame around it to create a pocket where the tortoise can go. A little bit of work now, but much easier than after it becomes a problem.
An ounce of prevention and all that...
Lee
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yeah, I have some final positioning of track and turnouts to do. Basically wanted to get all the noisy work out of the way so I'd be able to lay track at night. Then I ended up going to bed early anyways :D
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Current status of Spring Grove. Mainline is corked almost to the turnout location for the coal track. To the right is 180* turn back loop to head towards Porters Sideling
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-210224225040.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38852)
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Track crew set a record tonight, securing track from Botts, thru Spring Grove, and approaching Thoman Dr just outside of Porters Sideling. Yes, I left the curved turnout in the same location. :facepalm: I'm going to run things for a while and see how it goes. This turnout can be reached from the end of the peninsula and will be controlled with a slide switch, no tortoise needed. I'll save the I told ya so in my model railroad file for if and when that day comes I have to tear it out and rework the ground underneath. But hey, the track crew needs some job security right ?
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-220224233736.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38856)
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I'll save the I told ya so in my model railroad file for if and when that day comes I have to tear it out and rework the ground underneath. But hey, the track crew needs some job security right ?
LOL
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Added inbound/outbound storage track for PH Glatfelter last night. YorkRail road job will pick up/drop off cars for inside the mill on this track west of the plant. Plant switcher will come out and grab inbounds/drop off outbounds using this siding.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/38/2695-250224120443.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=38912)
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Working on how to connect Porters Sideling to the southbound leg to Emory Grove and Glyndon
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-020324214952.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39060)
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Double Wyes amuse me.
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More trackwork today
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-080324192323.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39252)
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I'll be delivering your industrial trackage tomorrow.
Lee
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Porters Sideling got about 85% of the track laid tonight. Need another section of benchwork to finish out the west end.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-090324234235.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39265)
And while digging thru another old thread to find something, I stumbled on the original PS on my first layout.
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Looks like you are making rapid progress! Keep up the good work - I am very much enjoying this thread. Bob
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Looking fabulous!
I do think you are well beyond the "Design Discussion" phase! :D
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This is a 24x40 basement to fill, plenty of room for design discussion. Right now I'm basically going with flow and drawing ideas on cardboard
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First siding goes into PH Glatfelter. This is the slurry track for coating materials. To the left of the crossover, there are 2 spots for boxcars though currently they aren't used very often.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-160324101313.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39381)
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Second liftout is in place, thus completing track work for phase one. This connects Porters Sideling and Woodensburg/Emory Grove sections of the layout. I'll cut the tracks once everything is set and dried.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-170324160254.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39419)
Now I'll turn my attention to getting PH Glatfelter trackage figured out.
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How did you build the liftout? I've got one coming up that I'll need to build.
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@garethashenden , here's a few additional shots. I made the approaches the same width as the liftout, installing those first. Cut the liftout to fit. Cut a board 8" longer than the liftout to act as a stop. Screw all into place. Lay the foam all the way across, cut to fit including cut at the liftout joints, lay cork, install track. Cut blocks for the liftout to sit on and attach to the bottom of the approaches. Allow everything to dry. After drying, take track razor saw/dremel/etc to cut your rails, cork. I'm going to get 2 screw knobs that will screw in from the front into T nuts installed in the rear of front approach thru the board I attached to the front to secure everything, and allow easy removal.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-180324151655.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39461)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-180324151719.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39462)
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Tracks going in at PHG.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-190324162305.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39464)
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I used a hinged drop leaf for my access points.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324115959.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39474)
It was a pretty simple operation. A hinge at one end, and a barrel bolt at the other.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120013.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39475)
All the wiring was connected at the hinge side, and I used a 6-pin phone jack to provide continuity at the open end.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120033.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39476)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120050.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39477)
When it dropped down, the aisle was clear, and I added some 1/4 x 1.5" trim stock to protect the track. At the open end, I cut two rerailers in half to ensure good tracking through the joint. The barrel bolt held the shelf snug against the bottom of the tunnel portal, which ensured vertical alignment.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120639.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39480)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120101.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39478)
Painted, ballasted and scenicked, it was actually pretty photogenic from the right angle.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324120601.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39479)
Lee
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I used the same concept to cross a little used closet door, with a much more complex track plan through the fuel racks and ready tracks next to the round house. (You might still have that chunk)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324121000.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39481)
Despite the hard angles and odd shape of the deck, it worked flawlessly.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/9-200324121758.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39482)
Lee
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Spring Grove mocked up today
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/medium_2695-200324154056.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39484)
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And Spring Grove installed today
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/medium_2695-220324224624.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39512)
Just need to lay the chemical tracks behind the "Black Shed" and the switch lead (out the bottom of the photo) which in real life is the ex-PRR main line and the paper mill will be on line again.
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Chemical tracks and switch lead installed this evening. A few feet of track every night :trollface:
Car already lining up at the Black Shed off the old Pennsy main
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-230324231114.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39525)
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Dropped feeders and hooked up to the bus. Naturally I had to run a train to test things out
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I set up a Facebook page for my layout. Feel free to follow along there as well.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=61557586273998
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Kinard Trucking and Georgia Pacific skeletons went up today.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-010424002938.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39637)
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Frito-Lay can start hiring workers
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-020424151605.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39678)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-020424151620.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39679)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-020424151633.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39680)
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Gordon Recycling is on line
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/medium_2695-030424155839.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=39713)
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Layout update to stitch all the photos together and how they fit in the basement
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Managed to get another couple of buildings up this evening. These are on the east side of the mill complex.
The 2 brick buildings were from version 2.0. The track geometry is a little different here so they'll have to be redone
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-080424230839.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39956)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-080424230939.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39957)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/39/2695-080424230951.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=39958)
Here's Google Maps overhead of the area
https://www.google.com/maps/place/Spring+Grove,+PA+17362/@39.8707627,-76.8636345,206m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m6!3m5!1s0x89c85f868ae4a03b:0x2c194ee072404272!8m2!3d39.8745436!4d-76.8658078!16zL20vMF9qZng?entry=ttu
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Mocked up the Rt 30 bypass today. Measured out at 156' wide on Google Maps, so 11" in N scale. I'm probably going to shrink that a little bit once I get some bridge materials set up and see what looks right
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-130424193023.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40122)
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More greenery showed up
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/medium_2695-140424185352.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=40136)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-140424173613.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40135)
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Man those MMID GPs look good!!
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Reworked the Rt 30 bypass area today. Big shout out to @John for the 3D work !
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-150424153817.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40155)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-150424153833.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40156)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-150424153854.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40157)
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More 3D work from John. Need to get all the "plumbing" worked out with the chutes/conveyors
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-160424194034.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40172)
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Decided to print more bridge parts since I have the 3d printer rolling. This time it's stuff for Bulter Rd in Glyndon. This area is immediately inside the basement door and scene will be the first thing people see when walking in. I'll need to print more wall sections and pick the best looking specimens. Some of them are partially failing on the printer. Threw some ballast and ground cover down while I was at it.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-190424220913.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40226)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-190424221305.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40228)
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YorkRail got a new addition to it's fleet today, #1531, an Atlas GP15.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-220424133547.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40310)
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Someone forgot an oil seal or something 🤔
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/40/2695-230424171857.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=40318)
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Been working on outside contracts lately, these will soon be sent back to home rails and I can get back to my railroad
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And first project out after the R&L got finished up are 5 Maryland Midland cement hoppers. Highball Graphics decals on Fox Valley Models covered hoppers
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/41/2695-010624225652.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41103)
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And first project out after the R&L got finished up are 5 Maryland Midland cement hoppers. Highball Graphics decals on Fox Valley Models covered hoppers
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/41/2695-010624225652.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41103)
I've seen cars up on blocks after people steal the wheels, but I've never seen it happen to train cars before! :o
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I've seen cars up on blocks after people steal the wheels, but I've never seen it happen to train cars before! :o
These cars were parked at the York Lehigh facility, sketchy neighborhoods aren't too far from here and I heard scrap prices are up. I'm shocked they left the cars.... :o
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LTEX 1444 has returned from extensive electrical upgrades at @GM50 4164 Chessie North Mountain shops
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/41/2695-200624171407.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41445)
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Slowly working on basic scenery. Emory Grove getting some color
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/41/2695-050724222049.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41980)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/41/2695-050724222105.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=41981)
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Another 8' of terrain and paint
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-060724225413.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42050)
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Grass continues to grow rapidly around Emory Grove, despite 95* heat and very little rainfall
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-090724111558.png) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42093)
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Inconceivable!
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Inconceivable!
I dunno, we had basically no rain in Iowa last summer, but the corn and soybeans didn't seem to notice. No pivots either.
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Next up will be laying out what I can of the small shopping area aside of the bridge, home to Santoni's
https://www.google.com/maps/@39.4754781,-76.8197236,3a,39.5y,322.58h,88.85t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sqjeD2Is3nRjKLhs2IW313A!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DqjeD2Is3nRjKLhs2IW313A%26cb_client%3Dsearch.revgeo_and_fetch.gps%26w%3D96%26h%3D64%26yaw%3D299.68497%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu
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Some possible starting points for Santoni's
https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/architecture/premium-n-scale-rural-town-grocery-store-3-of-7-in-set
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:4901963
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Working on bridge and building placement in Glyndon, including the former WM station and Santoni's restaurant/catering
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-120724172358.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42169)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-120724172413.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42170)
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Worked on the Butler Rd overpass today. Piers are 3D printed and wrapped with paper. Styrene sheet and strip for the bridge deck.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-130724191510.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42199)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-130724191526.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42200)
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I worked on Butler Rd overpass this evening. I was trying to figure out how I was going to get flat wall segments to fit an arched bridge deck. 3D printed cured parts do not flex very much, if at all. After bouncing ideas off others and inside my head, I decided I would try to attach them fresh off the printer without curing for now. I then printed segments at twice the designed length, with the thought process being it's easier to flex something that is longer than shorter. I cleaned everything up, scratched up the bridge deck and underside of the walkway segments and adhered them with super glue. I used clothes pins to hold everything together while drying. Here's the result. I put the pins back on after taking the photos just for extra security until I get back on the project.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-210724225400.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42342)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-210724225418.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42343)
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That's looking mighty good.
I wonder if a warm hair dryer might relax the curve a little.
Lee
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Is there a complete track diagram of this whole layout?
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Is there a complete track diagram of this whole layout?
I can tell you that Adam is developing it organically. The planning portion has mainly been around prototypical industrial LDEs, with long stretches connecting them as the available real estate becomes evident. He's trying to stay in close touch with the Hanover Sub, and as the benches get built and the lay of the land becomes apparent, the track plan evolves. It's really my favorite approach to working on a large canvas.
Lee
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As Lee said, nothing really official. I get a section done, then sit and look at things, make some measurements, look at Google Earth, draw some doodles, shoot some ideas around the planning committee, draw some doodles, talk to planning committee then build benchwork. Somewhere in there I get 40x48 sheets of cardboard and draw out 1:1 to see if it fits and looks right
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Slapped some paint on the concrete, applied rock face (printed paper) to the walls, did some weathering and hung a couple of empty signal racks. I need to paint the road surface yet and I'll be all but ready to plant the road deck on the piers permanently. Big thanks to @John for the hard work (doing the 3D drawings). This scene would not be possible without his help.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-230724232735.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42361)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-230724232748.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42362)
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And up the road, or tracks I should say, a little ways, is EG tower. I used some leftover tin from a Jim Coshun kit for the roof and weathered it.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-250724000800.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42365)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-250724000811.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42366)
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Worked on adding some terrain around Butler Rd. Railroad Ave breaks off to the right, sloping downhill towards the station.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-250724224810.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42460)
And some more elevation behinds Santoni's
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-250724224905.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42461)
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Plugging away at Glyndon
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-280724150105.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42527)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-280724150157.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42528)
Proto picture from Baltimore Railfan Guide page https://railfanguides.us/baltimore/map2/index.htm
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It's like you're standing there...
Lee
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Printed some M88A2 tank retrievers today for shipment out of BAE Systems
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-300724214405.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42577)
Thanks to @gi-depp for posting their version and source here:
https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=45583.msg801786#msg801786
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Put some more paint on the station at Glyndon. Passes 3' rule
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-310724221254.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42598)
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Where'd my M88A2s go ?
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-010824213947.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42611)
Almost missed my Bradleys too
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-010824214024.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42612)
Added camo paint to my military equipment. Weathered the MT DODX flats while the airbrush was loaded. Now that they're done, back to working on Glyndon
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Put some more paint on the station at Glyndon. Passes 3' rule
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-310724221254.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42598)
Are you going to add that cute dormer to the roof? It has so much character!
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Yes, the dormer/eyebrow windows will get installed later
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Continuing to work on Glyndon Station. Hoping my roofing material shows up in the mail. Used some styrene over the large window in the center, putty to blend everything together, and found some donor windows to steal the muntins from to get a "close enough" look. Small windows on the ends I just used putty to fill in behind them and will shape accordingly.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-100824002421.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42788)
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I started coveting the roof this weekend. Using slate shingles from rslaserkits.com. printed on paper, then cut with a laser. A mere 1.25mm shows from each row of shingles. I'm using LocTite spray adhesive to attach them, this allows some adjusting after you get a section done in case anything moved. I need to install a ridge cap on the peak and where edges meet to cover them up. Will do that once entire roof is finished.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-110824154705.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42839)
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I was thinking you could use some 90 degree angle stock for the ridge cap, which was copper, but I think that would be too steep for the roof pitch.
You could use two strips of say .30x.10 then put that small diameter styrene rod at the top. That would be pretty spot on. A bit more work, because you'd have to repeat it down the hips as well, but I think the effort will be well worth it.
Lee
p.s.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/9-110824223318.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42848)
from this month's WMRHS Calendar... The cap just runs the ridge. Looks like there's overlapping slate down the hips.
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The hips actually don't have a cap, just the ridges. Looks like the slate is mitered on the hips.
http://kilduffs.net/travels-through-maryland/old-maryland-train-stations/maryland-train-station-glyndon-baltimore-county/
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Here is quick and dirty example with small piece of angle painted PC green
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-120824023315.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42854)
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That should work.
I suggest a light coat of matte Mod Podge to seal the beveled corners at the hips, and to generally seal the roofing... after you color it in, of course.
Lee
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Couple rows every day....
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/42/2695-120824194322.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=42880)
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Inching closer to the finish line.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-220824161746.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43043)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-220824161805.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43044)
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(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-230824184033.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43062)
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That looks awesome ..
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Really nice.
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Get some Tichy brick chimneys to make the pillars for the car port.
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Finished up track side of the station with roof overhang supports/beam and railing across the top of stairs.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-250824211844.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43100)
Picked up 2 decoders for my YorkRail GP15s, here's their first revenue run taking some M88A2s and Bradley IFVs back to Lincoln Yard
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Nice shingling job!
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Trackwork was finished in Porters Sideling today, connecting the double wye to the CSX main. Extending trackage to Smiths Siding will allow me a run around for the upcoming open house/layout tours.
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-290824234439.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43173)
(https://www.therailwire.net/forum/gallery/43/2695-290824234501.jpeg) (https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view&id=43174)
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Are you going to include Dave Trone's in the "nothing" sections between scenes?
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Are you going to include Dave Trone's in the "nothing" sections between scenes?
Probably not as much as I'd like to, there will be some. Lots of big groups of trees to help break the scenes up.
For example, end of storage siding at Spring Grove is less than 2' from the leg of wye at Porters :(
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Are you going to include Dave Trone's in the "nothing" sections between scenes?
whats that? the annoying politician from MD?
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I like this organic design, reminds me of Lance Mindhiem's approach in the way it is laid out.
Why the alternation between foam and hardboard substrate? Scenery considerations?
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whats that? the annoying politician from MD?
Haha, it's so funny to me: I can tell who watches "normal" TV in Maryland by their opinion of that guy.
For those of you not here, he was running for office and ran a ton of commercials (and lost, haha).
Since we've somehow cut normal TV commercials (the Kapuscinski house is a Youtube + Streaming one), I never saw a single one.
Now that I think about it... I wonder what exciting new products I'm missing out on, lol.
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whats that? the annoying politician from MD?
If you ever get the chance to stop by, do so. Huge mushroom style design layout that probably has enough lumber in it to build a small home. West Penn is a local model railroad in Glenville PA. It was founded by David Trone in 1996. It's a 2660 sq ft model train layout. A switching layout built in a mushroom design with a 26 scale mile mainline. I know a couple people that can get you in the loop for a visit, or an ops session :D
https://www.youtube.com/@westpennmodelrailroad2018
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100069796536526
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Benchwork has been stretched to include Smiths Siding. This is where CSX and YorkRail interchange traffic. The siding is just over 8' long, enough to hold 25-26 cars give or take. CSX drops YorkRail cars on the east end, while YorkRail drops cars for CSX on the west end. If the siding is full, either can run a few "miles' down the line and drop cars at Porters Sideling, were there is room for another 10 cars or so on 2 sidings.
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I like this organic design, reminds me of Lance Mindhiem's approach in the way it is laid out.
Why the alternation between foam and hardboard substrate? Scenery considerations?
Are you talking between the green and the brown ? Brown is just recycled foam from the last layout that's already been painted :D
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Ah, gotcha. Carry on, this is pretty cool to follow.
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Mocked up Center St though it's probably getting moved around the turn back, and other side of wall that will run lengthwise, that will be built later, think I can get another foot out of the yard over on other side
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I stopped by Adam's today as part of the Mainline Hobby open house tours .. put 200 miles on the car. The layout is very impressive for only having less than a year of work in it. Smooth running models. The Glyndon station is right inside the door as you come in. It really catches your eye ..
Lee's yard is wired and working and has new ballast ..
There is a lot of space to move around the fully finished space .. well done ..
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Well another open house has concluded and for the first year of the new layout, everything operated very well. A few turnouts need adjusted and I need to tinker around with the AR sensitivity at Porters, some locos run thru with no problems, others trip briefly at the gap. 95 signed my visitors book, so adding in a few that don't sign books I'd say I had over 100 visitors over the weekend. Now time to pack up most of the cars and locomotives again and start back on construction of Phase 2 in preparation of next years open house.
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Finally back to the basement to work on the layout. We'll, infrastructure for work on the layout. Wanting a double deck, I need something to attach it to, so need to build a few walls. Due to the drop ceiling, I need to build this wall in place, secure the top plate, place the bottom plate then cut studs to fit between while leveling in both directions. I'm going to 45* the corner, to allow a broader curve around the corner
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More wall construction
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Got a piece of benchwork back up. I'll have to realign the track thru here, and I'll probably 45* that corner so people don't catch their hip on it as they walk by
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More wall construction
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Just a suggestion, but once you establish the height of the upper deck, and allow for a bit of backdrop up there, you might consider opening up the wall above the layout to keep the room feeling spacious, and to allow for conversations to take place across the divide. Ops sessions are as much social as working occasions, and keeping some sightlines open will make those connections easier. It looks like you might have that in mind there at the corner.
Plus it will be less likely that my claustrophobia will ramp up, causing me to turn into a raving lunatic.
Lee
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Just a suggestion, but once you establish the height of the upper deck, and allow for a bit of backdrop up there, you might consider opening up the wall above the layout to keep the room feeling spacious, and to allow for conversations to take place across the divide. Ops sessions are as much social as working occasions, and keeping some sightlines open will make those connections easier. It looks like you might have that in mind there at the corner.
Plus it will be less likely that my claustrophobia will ramp up, causing me to turn into a raving lunatic.
Lee
I'll add another reason to keep above the backdrop/valence open, air flow. I'd also recommend the same below the fascia of the lowest level, keep that natural cyclical air flowing.
Phil
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Definitely in the thought process, not like these walls are permanent features in the basement
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Had a brainstorm so started roughing out possible trackplan. Even in N scale, not enough room for what I had planned just by double decking new side, so why not double deck everything !
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More drawings and ramblings to follow
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Started laying out the benchwork pieces for the 180* turnback on the 1st peninsula. I have access to 40x44" cardboard at work so I'll draw out plans/ideas in 1:1 to check for fit and looks to see if they'll work before any major work begins on a section.
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Some time this afternoon before work beckoned me, I was able to get some benchwork built and hung up. This area will represent between Smiths Siding and Center St yard, the base of Hanover Sub operations. Maps image shows from Smith to the right side, and Center St to the left. Hanover Foods facilities in the middle.
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No work and no football on the TV tonight meant more layout progress. I got the Center St module mounted and cut all my foamboard to fit. If I curve Center St yard a little bit, I can build it almost to scale length. I may shorten it a little bit so as to not over power other scenes that can't get the same treatment. Or do I go ahead and build it full ? Center St is the base of operations for the Hanover Sub. I used Google Earth to measure out 1:1 distances and scaled them down to get my lengths.
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I think it depends on how important it is operationally to your layout plan. It being the centerpiece of the prototype operation, I would think it’s pretty vital to the overall ops on the layout. Given that you’re not looking at the layout in one single view all the time, I don’t think it will overpower any other scenes since it can’t be directly compared visually.
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I'm impressed that you've been able to use dimensional lumber and achieve a sufficiently flat layout surface. Any tips on how to achieve this?
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This is N scale. If you can do it to scale you owe it to our scale forebearers to do it to scale.
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I'm impressed that you've been able to use dimensional lumber and achieve a sufficiently flat layout surface. Any tips on how to achieve this?
Biggest tip is getting good material to start with. Make sure boards are straight, no curves or bows in any direction. If not using right away be sure to store it in a manner it stays the way you bought it. Other than that nothing really to add
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As an operations hub, it needs to look right, and be the right size for your layout.
If the real yard can handle (arbitrarily) 100 cars, but your layout operation can only handle 60, then there's no need to make it any bigger than it needs to be to feel and look right. If your operation requires room for all 100 cars, then by all means, build it to scale if you can, or as close as possible.
Lee
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I'm impressed that you've been able to use dimensional lumber and achieve a sufficiently flat layout surface. Any tips on how to achieve this?
For a long time, it was more economical to buy 3/4" sanded plywood and rip it down to 3.5" strips (equivalent of 1x4). Properly assembled, that's more dimensionally stable than lumber, although a bit heavier. Right now sheet goods are a bit ridiculous, so the comparative costs don't work out as well.
Lee
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As an operations hub, it needs to look right, and be the right size for your layout.
If the real yard can handle (arbitrarily) 100 cars, but your layout operation can only handle 60, then there's no need to make it any bigger than it needs to be to feel and look right. If your operation requires room for all 100 cars, then by all means, build it to scale if you can, or as close as possible.
Lee
This yard in my early time frame was mainly used as locomotive parking for stone train and the east bound Hanover turn. It's alot more active with the new process/schedule, holding cars for a new Hanover local they run and more cars going to Emory Grove area
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Do it to scale!! I’m going to do in in 1953 on freemo N modules :trollface:
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Trains can now make it to Center St yard in Hanover. This is the eastern base of operations on the Hanover Sub. It's all but to scale length and design. Over the years, tracks have been cut, moved, and removed so spacing and direction are all over the place. The engine house is long gone (torn down late 90s/early 2000s) but is a rare Jim Coshun exclusive kit (only a dozen or so were cut IIRC). Had to be included on the layout, wish I finished it before he passed.
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Heading east from the yard, 2 Hanover Foods sidings are in place. The first is for a warehouse/outlet store that receives boxcars. The far, 2nd siding is for the production facility where they get 1-2 covered hoppers, usually ATSF/BN/BNSF 4750 hoppers. It's 4 axle power only, or they need 13 buffer cars to dig out the empties, so I removed 30+ ties from the flex track and spaced remaining out to simulate poor track conditions.
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And finally got Smiths Siding back in service. This is the YorkRail/CSX interchange area. I was able to add 6-7 cars to storage capacity so should be able to model the prototype fairly well.
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Sweet! Very nice progress, gotta love when the hurdles come down and you can see forwards from where you’ve been stumped. Seeing how small that yard is overall as the prototype, I think you’re going to like having it to scale. I know when I’ve said in the past “eh thats far enough for what I want to accomplish with these tracks” I’ve always regretted it. Every. Single. Time.
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Good times yesterday.
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And bad...
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Lee
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I relaid the bean plant siding to better reflect the nasty S curve coming off on the turnout that the prototype has and is the reason for 4 axle power only.
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And moved west of the yard with benchwork and started on roadbed for the next industry, Hanover Terminal
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In a holding pattern on the layout build while I tend to some other changes in the basement. I recently tore the helix apart and will be rebuilding it once I figure out location for it and how high I will need to rise for the second level. In the mean time, a friend of mine who is big on using switchlists worked up some paperwork for me.
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Here's a video link where Steve goes over how he uses switchlists on his HO scale Union Railroad
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I built a few walls, then decided 2 years later I didn't like where the walls were. So I tore some of them down and rebuilt them. I boxed in and made a room where the sump pit is and access to crawl space under the addition. This caused the east end of Lincoln yard to come out at a 90* angle into the aisle way. While Steve was here the other week, we discussed how to makes some changes to improve that situation. I have been thinking about taking the corner off the room, making an angled wall. With that hint, Steve suggested building a small staging yard (this will represent NS Windsor St, oddly enough the yard that now Lincoln Yard used to be under @Ed Kapuscinski ownership). This will also solve the storage solution for the NS coal train that comes into York and ultimately Spring Grove for the paper mill. I decided also that the propane distributor that was in the corner will now go somewhere down on this new section to give some distance for the job, as it is actually located on the old Pennsy line that paralleled the WM tracks between Hanover and York.
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I rebuilt the wall around the sump pit this week and set out to realign the yard today. This section had 2 curved turnouts that sometimes didn't behave as expected, 1 more so than the other. I pulled all the tracks up to the nearest joint on the straight and realigned everything, while allowing a more gradual curve coming out of the yard. I was also able to get a prototypical look for that end of the yard and allowed me to get tracks for Lehigh Cement in place. Lehigh will largely be represented by a backdrop. In the last photo below, you can see covered hoppers spotted on the lead past the 2 turnouts. Also added an extension to a stub track that already existed where YorkRail crews will park the power when not in use.
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Kudos on fixing the left end of that yard, which was shoehorned in to fit in @wm3798’s layout room in his attic. That’s a much improved looking alignment, which I’m certain will operate better without those curved turnouts that were giving you trouble.
About fifteen years ago, I designed a HCD layout that made extensive use of those Atlas curved turnouts. They were such a disaster, due to poor quality control, that I scrapped the entire layout. I love Atlas, but that’s one time I have to give them the ol’ skunk eye. I can’t believe that they haven’t redesigned that curved turnout in fifteen years.
Anyhow, keep up the good work,
DFF
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I like it. You might consider adding a turnout to the innermost lead so you can extend the switching lead so as reduce interference with main line traffic while assembling a train.
It looks like there's enough there, but as we all know, there never is! :facepalm:
Lee
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Extending the switching lead would go against YorkRail operations :D On both ends of the yard, they use the main to assemble/break down trains.
East end ( the realignment above)
West end
I did think briefly about extending the yard tracks to the left, but that would require tearing out a lot more turnouts and linkages. It still may happen but for now I'm leaving them alone. I'll run a few ops with this setup and see if more track storage is needed
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When in doubt. The real railroaders usually have it figured out.
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It'll be easier to add another 6" to the middle of the yard.
Those linkages are buried in the turf pretty good. I cut channels in the plywood with a Dremel to run the piano wire. :facepalm:
An old carpenter once told me "if someone put it together, someone else can take it apart" but if it ain't broke...
Lee
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Windsor St staging yard constructed today. this will also be home to a 2 track siding for Koppys Propane Dist.
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Tracks are down for the mainline, passing siding and the LPG sidings. And just enough room for the local to fit on the tail track. Staging yard/RIP/programming track will go in front part. Thinking this will be workbench area.
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Staging yard in place. Wasn't originally planning on this but think it will serve the layout well.
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Is your new benchwork just 1" (or maybe less?) foam over 1x4 boards, or is there more to it than meets the eye? It looks pleasingly simple.
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Is your new benchwork just 1" (or maybe less?) foam over 1x4 boards, or is there more to it than meets the eye? It looks pleasingly simple.
That's all it is. Above example is only 1/2" foam because it was sheet I had laying around. Usually use 3/4" at least. It helps modeling a relatively flat area. This sub has a lot of rolling hills with very little grade
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Layout update for March
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Worked classifying the yard for about an hour each the last 2 nights, today I wrote up switchlists for 5 different jobs, the 6th job being the NS coal train to the paper mill. Some more work wiring up turnouts and getting micro switches installed and I'll be able to run ops on the YorkRail section of the layout, with full capability of interchange with NS to the east and CSX to the west.
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Lincoln Yard is filling up as track crews have the east end of the yard shut down with various jobs going on. They're going to have to clear out so YorkRail train crews can get cars to their customers.
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I was able to get some basic ground cover in the realigned section of the yard today. Tracks still need weathered and ballasted. But it already looks so much better not seeing all that green foam.
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Also got started on the Lehigh Cement loadout sheds. Using some modelers license here as I don't have the space to lay out the facility correctly. Most of the facility will be a backdrop. The shed to the left will be for normal 2 bay cement hoppers, while the one on the right will be for the PD3000 or 3281 style covered hoppers. I'll need to cover the seam with a well placed electrical conduit or piping running up the side of the building.
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Plate steel loads coming right up ! I took K&S Aluminum sheet, Krylon Dark Metal Metallic paint, topped with grey primer and finished with AK Interactive Streaking Grime. 4x6 lumber for blocking. Grunged the car up while I was at it.
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Ooh, like the idea of the aluminum instead of the brass.
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Business must be good at Kloeckner Metals, 3 more loads arrived in the yard today.
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