New Bachmann 4-6-0 (19th century version) info?

[Maletrain]

I'm still hoping for a period appropriate tender, especially if they can put sound in it.

But what I would really like to see is a more modern 4-6-0 such as the B&O B-18, which did start with some flat-looking low tenders, but ended up with some more modern looking tenders, although obviously not the USRA versions.

And, then there are the B&O class D-30 0-6-0 switchers that had USRA tenders, not the slope backs that Bachmann puts on theirs.

[peteski]

I'm still hoping for a period appropriate tender, especially if they can put sound in it.

DCC sound?  Looking at the size of the tenders shown in the photos of 1:1 locos, I think that would be a pretty tall order for Bachmann (or any model company for that matter).

[Maletrain]

With the photo of the "coal load" versions in replies #5 and #9, there seems to be room under the coal "load".  It doesn't look much worse than Bachmann's "short USRA" tender for actual internal space if the "load" is just a hollow plastic shell. 

Granted, the earlier low tenders like in reply #14 are probably too low to squeeze in a speaker.

But, these probably are not going to be museum quality reproductions that are faithful to some prototype, anyway.

[track1]

Hi all,

Tyler from Bachmann R&D here to provide an update on this project and answer/clarify questions.

We haven't begun production on this locomotive yet-2024 was our original target deadline, but it was delayed when we found that the prototype we were originally referencing was not large enough to house the motor and decoder. It is still in the design stages and we're hoping to have an engineering sample to show early next year, with delivery in late 2025 or early 2026. We apologize for the delays as we know this has been a highly anticipated locomotive since we first announced it. Trainworld's delivery date is only an estimate/placeholder that they probably haven't updated since we first announced in August 2023.

I can say it *will* be a brand new locomotive from the ground up including wheel spacing, siderods, and a brand new, period-accurate scale tender, based primarily on the Union Pacific 1010 prototype we currently show in the catalog- we will have to take some liberties with the other roadnames, but it is based on a true 19th century prototype. It will NOT look anything like the models shown in pmpexpress's post.

I'm not sure where the existing 4-6-0 being labeled as a "Mogul" came from, we know it's not a Mogul and don't use that anywhere in our catalog or marketing. I think that was a mistake by a dealer or distributor that somebody copied.

The matching old-time passenger cars are an even newer project, we only confirmed to reintroduce them a month before they were announced. Since it's an upgrade of existing models, they shouldn't take as long, but I still wouldn't expect them before late 2025.

[pmpexpress]

Hi all,

Tyler from Bachmann R&D here to provide an update on this project and answer/clarify questions.

We haven't begun production on this locomotive yet-2024 was our original target deadline, but it was delayed when we found that the prototype we were originally referencing was not large enough to house the motor and decoder. It is still in the design stages and we're hoping to have an engineering sample to show early next year, with delivery in late 2025 or early 2026. We apologize for the delays as we know this has been a highly anticipated locomotive since we first announced it. Trainworld's delivery date is only an estimate/placeholder that they probably haven't updated since we first announced in August 2023.

I can say it *will* be a brand new locomotive from the ground up including wheel spacing, siderods, and a brand new, period-accurate scale tender, based primarily on the Union Pacific 1010 prototype we currently show in the catalog- we will have to take some liberties with the other roadnames, but it is based on a true 19th century prototype. It will NOT look anything like the models shown in pmpexpress's post.

I'm not sure where the existing 4-6-0 being labeled as a "Mogul" came from, we know it's not a Mogul and don't use that anywhere in our catalog or marketing. I think that was a mistake by a dealer or distributor that somebody copied.

The matching old-time passenger cars are an even newer project, we only confirmed to reintroduce them a month before they were announced. Since it's an upgrade of existing models, they shouldn't take as long, but I still wouldn't expect them before late 2025.

Tyler,

Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions and clarify the project status.

Although the locations of the boiler details (i.e., the bell, domes, and smoke stack) differ, and the cab, pilot, and stack are different, the running gear on your new model should serve my needs for a mechanism for my Clinchfield Number 1 build.

As the project is still in the design stage, might I suggest shotgun stacks for your coal fired models and balloon stacks for the wood burners?

[Pencil]

Thank you for the update, Tyler!

Curtis

[johnb]

@track1 , any chance on am updated 0-6-0 that looks and runs better?

[track1]

Tyler,

Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions and clarify the project status.

Although the locations of the boiler details (i.e., the bell, domes, and smoke stack) differ, and the cab, pilot, and stack are different, the running gear on your new model should serve my needs for a mechanism for my Clinchfield Number 1 build.

As the project is still in the design stage, might I suggest shotgun stacks for your coal fired models and balloon stacks for the wood burners?

Yes, there will be either a balloon or standard stack per the prototype and fuel.

@track1 , any chance on am updated 0-6-0 that looks and runs better?

It's something we've discussed and considered, particularly if we were to offer a DCC Sound Version- we would probably follow what we did with our recently released HO Sound Value 0-6-0 and do all/mostly new tooling.

[johnb]

It's something we've discussed and considered, particularly if we were to offer a DCC Sound Version- we would probably follow what we did with our recently released HO Sound Value 0-6-0 and do all/mostly new tooling.

sounds good, an SP whaleback or Vandy tender would be incredible

[ATSF_Ron]

Glad to hear this will be the correct period and an all new model.  I can be patient 

[up1950s]

Gotta get me a UP 1010 but will wait till newer ads come out .

[Jimbo]

@track1 , any chance on am updated 0-6-0 that looks and runs better?

It's something we've discussed and considered, particularly if we were to offer a DCC Sound Version- we would probably follow what we did with our recently released HO Sound Value 0-6-0 and do all/mostly new tooling.

OH PLEASE DO!  N scale is in desperate need of steam switchers!  And, while the current 0-6-0 is vastly improved over the original issue, it still could use improvement with better electrical pickup, DCC friendliness, heavier (die-cast) boiler, and finer detailing.

Thank you!!

Jim

[garethashenden]

It's something we've discussed and considered, particularly if we were to offer a DCC Sound Version- we would probably follow what we did with our recently released HO Sound Value 0-6-0 and do all/mostly new tooling.

OH PLEASE DO!  N scale is in desperate need of steam switchers!  And, while the current 0-6-0 is vastly improved over the original issue, it still could use improvement with better electrical pickup, DCC friendliness, heavier (die-cast) boiler, and finer detailing.

Thank you!!

Jim

My personal opinion is that a good 0-6-0 is the biggest hole in the N scale market. They were just so ubiquitous, and weren't just limited to yard service either, that everyone who models steam should have at least one. I can't imagine Broadway Limited making one, as they can't get their enormous decoders in the tender. So it will have to be Bachmann. An all new model is sorely needed.

[up1950s]

Well I ordered the UP 1010 from Trainland , ..... I think .

[up1950s]

You can spend the better part of a grand here https://www.activepowersports.com/bachmann-n-4-6-0-loco-w-snd-up-1010-w-wood-load-51471/?srsltid=AfmBOorh47g5U7VUNwhtbmM2OBz44sxw_rJF_NQuH-vSu5Lo5-P_C0ig