Conrail boxcar door grabs help (HO)

[peteski]

Maybe it is a plate, but to  me it would make sense in H0 scale to represent it using just paint.  After all, how thick would that plate be?  1/16" or thinner?  that is 0.0007". That is basically a thick layer of paint.

[Lemosteam]

Maybe it is a plate, but to  me it would make sense in H0 scale to represent it using just paint.  After all, how thick would that plate be?  1/16" or thinner?  that is 0.0007". That is basically a thick layer of paint.

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=55546.msg763487#msg763487

[peteski]

https://www.therailwire.net/forum/index.php?topic=55546.msg763487#msg763487

I realize you mentioned using paint earlier in this thread, but it seems that the idea that it needs to be something more substantial is persisting.  I just added come actual numbers to your idea.

[Ted Thorson]

The paint idea definitely has a great deal of merit.

[Lemosteam]

I realize you mentioned using paint earlier in this thread, but it seems that the idea that it needs to be something more substantial is persisting.  I just added come actual numbers to your idea.

Its the vertical form in the middle of the plate that ruins the idea of a painted rectangle.

[Spades]

Its the vertical form in the middle of the plate that ruins the idea of a painted rectangle.

Mask the outside of rectangle, fill with filler of choice, sand flush, add push tab.  Mask than paint.

[peteski]

Its the vertical form in the middle of the plate that ruins the idea of a painted rectangle.

That to me seems to look like it can be simulated with a piece of wire/rod shaped like open staple (squared off 'C").  After painting the rectangular area , just drill 2 holes in the door, bend the wire to a shape where the 2 ends will fit in the holes, and glue it in.  I believe this was also mentioned earlier in this thread.

[Ted Thorson]

Anyone have an opinion on the color? NYC Jade Green? PC Green? Something else?

[peteski]

Anyone have an opinion on the color? NYC Jade Green? PC Green? Something else?

On that particular car you asked about it looks like the rectangular painted area would be the same jade green color as the car, but slightly darker. Probably because the "thing" was applied and painted later, so it is less faded than the rest of the car.  Then the vertical piece looks to be painted orange.

[Lemosteam]

Mask the outside of rectangle, fill with filler of choice, sand flush, add push tab.  Mask than paint.

Exactly as I mentioned earlier.

@peteski , a wire would leave holes under it whaler the doer valleys are.

[peteski]

Exactly as I mentioned earlier.

@peteski , a wire would leave holes under it whaler the doer valleys are.

If the holes aren't much larger than the diameter of the wire, the fit will be tight enough not to be objectionable. Not different than the wire grab irons or wire railings added to many N scale diesel shells.  Little CA applied from the inside will hold the wire.  Also, whatever the thin vertical piece is seems to end on the raised parts of the door's corrugation. So the holes would be drilled there.

[Spades]

Exactly as I mentioned earlier.

@peteski , a wire would leave holes under it whaler the doer valleys are.

So did I 3x each with a variation.

Would painting a rectangle to represent the plate and a piece of fine wire glued in the middle also painted be the easiest way?

This was the 8th reply to the original car pictured in the original post. Which address the " Its the vertical form in the middle of the plate that ruins the idea of a painted rectangle." you score the area/recess the area where the vertical form goes. Which probably gives you the best connection for a separate(painted part). I would change order: 1  score  2 paint rectangle  3 glue painted handle.

Take a fine sharp new blade and gently score where the wire goes until the piece of wire is recessed to your liking.  Mask an area the size of the plate and paint.

Mask the outside of rectangle, fill with filler of choice, sand flush, add push tab.  Mask than paint.

The last one addressing the tab forhttps://conrailphotos.thecrhs.org/photos/cr-173670-class-862b .   if you mask neatly and use it as a form. fill the area with filler of you choice. Scrape smooth press tab into soft filler.  Let dry and paint, and hope for no contact. 

Lemosteam, I've admired my your post. You possess skills I could only dream about.  If you want credit for saying it first.  Feel free.

[Lemosteam]

Lemosteam, I've admired my your post. You possess skills I could only dream about.  If you want credit for saying it first.  Feel free.

Ahahahaha.  We are on the exact same page.  I just couldn't live with a wire in there and pockets underneath, especially in H0.

Another idea, if the doors are already separate, would be to use a square edge grinding tool, and remove a v shape from behind through the proper ribs, clean up any burrs in the hole, and then insert a brass angle from behind after softening the 90 degree corner on the edge of the brass piece.

[peteski]

John, I didn't understand what you mentioned in your post: "a wire would leave holes under it whaler the doer valleys are. "
But  now I understand.  I also went back and found enough photos which show that there is a metal backing piece applied to the door, and a solid vertical piece of metal.
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I still think that it is reasonable to simulate the backing piece with paint. But using a wire for the vertical piece will not work.  I wonder if this vertical piece could be represented by a small strip of thicker aluminum foil (like the stuff used in disposable roasting pans).  Then cut a groove in the raised parts of the door corrugations (using a SERB maybe), and glue the aluminum strip (on edge) into the groove)? 

[dem34]

I feel like this thread is just going in circles.