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They don't understand that unions are what gave them vacations, cost of living increases, health care and sick leave.
We could go on strike but we would be taking a huge risk that we would wind up with an even worse proposal than what is on the table now.
Me too. Even a 24-hour work stoppage will screw things up magnificently and cost the carriers millions over weeks getting things unsnarled. And it will reveal the lie in carriers' stupid statement to the PEB that "labor doesn't contribute to profits."
I STILL cannot believe that the moron who said that is still employed.I mean, I can believe it. Assholes like that fail upward, but still. If anyone who worked for me said something like that they'd find themselves in a 4:30 meeting with HR that same day.
Didn’t realize I had to be a railroader to respond. Sorry, not! No, I am not or was never. I was in senior management of a business for 21 years in a non union environment that each employee negotiated his/her own wage package. Start with a base commission and go from there. That was brutal on both ends of negotiation. I know all about how Congress has had to intervene to give railroaders a decent living wage but have always fallen below what the unions requested for life, like time off, sick and vacation days. I know Corporate could care less about it’s heart beat, it’s workers. Do you have to be a RR worker to see it. Even with bias media, it is very obvious Corporate feels it’s workforce is disposable. Tell me how a 10,000’ train can be handled safely by one crew member? Hell, why is there a train 10,000’? With less of a workforce there are greater profits. That what media talks about. Don’t sign the contracts Congress, not the President, will impose. Strike for as many days it takes the President to get involved before saying “national security” and end a strike. Remember, this man in office now is the most friendly towards Unions as we have had in the 2000’s. Do you really want to see a former NYC businessman or a Florida governor helping your Union cause. That will never happen, think hard on that choice.You want a strike do it. But will your BSR support it? When the President intervenes ignore it. Are they going to arrest every railroad worker or call out the National Guards to run trains or maintain the signals? We know management doesn’t have as many former railroad workers so they won’t be of much use. Listen, I know you are screwed no matter what happens. Is resistance futile? Maybe but your Unions should try to break this stupid cycle of having Congress handle usually management sided contracts. I can’t image living basically on call for a job while the Corporate money grabbers think you and your brothers and sisters don’t contribute to profit.You don’t have to agree to any of what I wrote. That doesn’t and won’t bother me or actually if most are honest here on the Railwire anybody else here. You and other RR workers are on the proverbial island with no way safely off. My last words on this, do what you feel is right for your family and you. You have my support and best wishes if you do that.Tom
With the smart phones omnipresent everywhere, with their capability to record and share videos (and everybody being trigger happy), the number of people (in government, company officials, press, and just average Joes) saying stupid things is pretty much normal and expected. Politicians are especially prone to putting foot in their mouth, when speaking in public (or even in private), then some careful (and out of context) editing is a perfect fodder for the opposition's ads. They also often get away with their stupidity. Doesn't surprise me anymore.
The Carriers maintain that capital investment and risk are the reasons for their profits, not any contributions by labor. The Carriers further argue that there is no correlation historically between high profits and higher compensation, either in the freight rail industry or more generally. To the contrary, one of the Carriers’ experts maintained that the most profitable companies are not those whose compensation is the highest. The Carriers assert that since employees have been fairly and adequately paid for their efforts and do not share in the downside risks if the operations are less profitable, then they have no claim to share in the upside either.
No, that line actually appeared in printed testimony before the PEB (page 32).https://www.trains.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/08/PEB-Recommendation.pdf
An investor still has their stock even if the value has fallen, the only time they realize losses is if the sell at a low point. Even if they do, they will try some fancy accounting b.s. to write off those losses on their taxes.
That last line is total BS!"The Carriers assert that since employees have been fairly and adequately paid for their efforts and do not share in the downside risks if the operations are less profitable, then they have no claim to share in the upside either."Who gets laid off and looses their income during an economic downturn? An investor still has their stock even if the value has fallen, the only time they realize losses is if the sell at a low point. Even if they do, they will try some fancy accounting b.s. to write off those losses on their taxes.
Yeah, no *****!That's why, if I worked for a railroad, I'd be ready to burn the f***er down myself.
The Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen has voted down the tentative agreement by a 60% to 40% tally. The BRS sent out about 6300 ballots, and about 4600 were returned.We can strike on or after Nov. 19, same as BMWED.
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