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Did any of these run in Amtrak? So far I haven't found any evidence that Amtrak bought them, nor did I see one in Pasco in the early years.
This is a bit off topic (but bear with me)- I am trying to do a bit of research on the Western and Blue (both the same 12-4 design) cars of Wabash. Somewhere in my stash of magazines, I know there is an article about 12-4 sleepers (I remember reading it, but don't remember the source), but I haven't found the reference in any of the online indexes. My best guess is that it is Mainline Modeler or Prototype Modeler, but could be something else. Does anyone know what I am referring to and where I should be looking?
No, UP Western Series cars were rebuilt into SUN series and had a different interior configuration all bedroom. Wabash Western series cars were by this date painted blue and used on several Wabash/N&W Trains. Lowell's Sun named car is simply his Western Car renamed. A Sun car was all bedrooms with a different window arrangement. Nate Goodman. (Sato). Salt Lake, Utah.
So buying a Sun car from LS for an early Amtrak train would be a foobie, is what you're saying? Is it a matter of plating over windows or was there significant change? I want to assemble an early Amtrak train and could live with an interior being off, but if the window arrangement is wrong I'll have to consider just how much off it is.
I don't think you can tell from your photo of Sun Isle, Mike, whether Lowell's model will be accurate for the Sun series. Your photo seems to show the aisle side of the car, which from the car diagrams in the Thornton Waite article in The Streamliner Vol. 7 #2, seems to be the same for the 12 Rmtte-4 Bdrm Western series and the 11 Bdrm Sun series. The other side of the 12-4 (as per your brass sides) had 6 large windows for 6 roomettes and 5 smaller windows for 4 bedrooms and a Porter's seat (window closest to the door). The corridor side of the 12-4 had 6 large windows for 6 roomettes across the aisle from the other 6 roomettes and then two corridor windows and a small window for the toilet near the door. In the Sun series diagram in the Waite article, all the bedrooms are on the non-corridor side. The five smaller windows for the 4 bedrooms and the Porter's seat remain the same, and there are 7 large windows for 7 bedrooms. The now corridor side appears to have kept the 6 large windows. The image of the Sun car on Lowell's site does not appear to have added the 7th window. I do not have The Streamliner Vol. 7 #4, which from an above post had an update. Andy Love, Calgary, Alberta
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