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Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« on: July 18, 2020, 04:03:33 PM »
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It is my great pleasure to announce the CRHS's next big project: The Conrail Museum

https://www.thecrhs.org/295633

Thanks to a generous donation from CSX and a grant from the Cumberland Area Economic Development Corporation and Cumberland Valley Visitors Bureau we are able to begin construction of a museum dedicated to telling the Conrail story.



It's an exciting time to be a Conrail fan.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2020, 04:18:46 PM »
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Congratulations! Is the sketch representing what I think it is, a 86' hi-cube you're converting? Looks like a fun project.
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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2020, 06:06:50 PM »
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Will there be a statue of L. Stanley Crane by the entrance?

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2020, 06:32:15 PM »
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Congratulations! Is the sketch representing what I think it is, a 86' hi-cube you're converting? Looks like a fun project.

Yep. That's the plan to turn the car CSX gave us into the museum.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2020, 04:46:49 PM »
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That's going to be awesome! The B&MRRHS has a combine car in Lowell, MA they converted to a mini-museum and model layout (coupled to a static display 0-6-0 switcher). The hi-cube looks to be a supersized version of that!

Boston & Maine RR Combine Coach 1214 at the Lowell National Historical Park by ck4049, on Flickr

Boston & Maine Railroad Steam Locomotive 410 at the Lowell National Historical Park by ck4049, on Flickr


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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2020, 07:01:30 AM »
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Cool. 8)


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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2020, 08:38:46 AM »
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Too bad that you can't take advantage of that headroom and build two levels in there, due to emergency egress and disabilities access.  That could have doubled the display space.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2020, 08:44:29 AM »
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What? No layout?

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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2020, 10:03:00 AM »
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What? No layout?

Even a small layout would make it more interesting.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2020, 10:32:13 AM »
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What? No layout?

Hey DKS, got a minute?  ;)

In all reality, the actual displays are still all TBD.

One of the ideas we had was using models (although likely HO due to availability) to demonstrate some of Conrail's equipment fleet. Obviously not stuff like this (https://www.amazon.com/Bachmann-Industries-Locomotive-Conrail-Scale/dp/B00BFCTWEM) but more "museum quality" stuff like this (https://www.scaletrains.com/product/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-c39-8-conrail/) would be more fitting.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2020, 10:59:06 AM »
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Hey DKS, got a minute?  ;)

In all reality, the actual displays are still all TBD.

Where's the kidney when you need it?  ;)

One of the ideas we had was using models (although likely HO due to availability) to demonstrate some of Conrail's equipment fleet. Obviously not stuff like this (https://www.amazon.com/Bachmann-Industries-Locomotive-Conrail-Scale/dp/B00BFCTWEM) but more "museum quality" stuff like this (https://www.scaletrains.com/product/rivet-counter-ho-scale-ge-c39-8-conrail/) would be more fitting.

Go with HO not only for availability but visibility.  An N scale model would get lost on a shelf in the middle of a lot of displays, and visitors cannot appreciate the smaller details as much behind glass where they can't too close.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2020, 12:07:38 PM »
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OK... let me cast votes for 1) HO, for the reasons Dave and Ed cited, and 2) non-operating diorama only.

[Pause here while Mikey dons his Nomex.]

Some of it chronicled on TRW, I have a little bit of experience with museum layouts. Once the luster has worn off and the participating enthusiasm abated, they are a pain in the @$$. We gladly put up with the maintenance issues with our own layouts as it is what we signed up for. But when it's somebody else's the rules change. We're talking about things like access issues such as hours and keys and "permission", "necessary" (but usually debatable) changes when things need to be fixed, and non-MRR museum managers unable to grok the simplest of tasks such as re-railing cars (...lordy, I know that one...). Then there is the whopper, sooner or later there will be "an enthusiastic volunteer" who is all thumbs and wants to tinker or make major changes, screwing things up royally. Suddenly the layout becomes stubbornly non-operating, vexing all who follow attempting to undo the damage.

It's essentially the club dynamic, but worse since future layout maintenance participants usually have little stake in the outcome other than "attaboy" points.

But wait, there's more!

Then there's the guest relations issue of "if you want to see it run, the volunteers who operate the layout are here on Mondays from 4:17 to 5:24 a.m." or something equally restrictive or ridiculous. Bottom line is that the random guest will be unlikely to see it run, so it becomes "what's the point?" Even major, well-known layouts in prime areas have that problem (San Diego/Balboa Park people, I'm talking about you  :x  ). Automated layouts? That's another whole thing. I've seen exactly one that worked reasonably; it was small and obviously the work of a single dedicated volunteer/curator who knew what he or she was doing. And there have been several in my travels where the creator was no longer available for one or several reasons, most serious, and the layout abandoned.

I'm not talking about next year, I'm talking about the reality of 10-15 years from now. It's not pretty. Diorama(s), absolutely. Operating? Not so much. The less need for touching, the better.
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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2020, 12:28:23 PM »
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OK... let me cast votes for 1) HO, for the reasons Dave and Ed cited, and 2) non-operating diorama only.

[Pause here while Mikey dons his Nomex.]

Some of it chronicled on TRW, I have a little bit of experience with museum layouts. Once the luster has worn off and the participating enthusiasm abated, they are a pain in the @$$. We gladly put up with the maintenance issues with our own layouts as it is what we signed up for. But when it's somebody else's the rules change. We're talking about things like access issues such as hours and keys and "permission", "necessary" (but usually debatable) changes when things need to be fixed, and non-MRR museum managers unable to grok the simplest of tasks such as re-railing cars (...lordy, I know that one...). Then there is the whopper, sooner or later there will be "an enthusiastic volunteer" who is all thumbs and wants to tinker or make major changes, screwing things up royally. Suddenly the layout becomes stubbornly non-operating, vexing all who follow attempting to undo the damage.

It's essentially the club dynamic, but worse since future layout maintenance participants usually have little stake in the outcome other than "attaboy" points.

But wait, there's more!

Then there's the guest relations issue of "if you want to see it run, the volunteers who operate the layout are here on Mondays from 4:17 to 5:24 a.m." or something equally restrictive or ridiculous. Bottom line is that the random guest will be unlikely to see it run, so it becomes "what's the point?" Even major, well-known layouts in prime areas have that problem (San Diego/Balboa Park people, I'm talking about you  :x  ). Automated layouts? That's another whole thing. I've seen exactly one that worked reasonably; it was small and obviously the work of a single dedicated volunteer/curator who knew what he or she was doing. And there have been several in my travels where the creator was no longer available for one or several reasons, most serious, and the layout abandoned.

I'm not talking about next year, I'm talking about the reality of 10-15 years from now. It's not pretty. Diorama(s), absolutely. Operating? Not so much. The less need for touching, the better.

That's a really good point, and the reason I was mostly joking about wanting to do something for real.
I think the real answer is going to be display cases for equipment.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2020, 02:51:48 PM »
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Ed,

So glad that the CRHS is taking the opportunity to showcase and display the items donated to the CRHS. I love the idea that everything becomes accessible from one place.

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Re: Announcing the CRHS'S Conrail Museum
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2020, 08:51:46 PM »
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Yeah, static displays are really what match what the CRHS is and who we’ll likely be for the foreseeable future.  I’ll spitball here and posit that diorama - of someplace small, no way in hell are we doing Selkirk - could perhaps tell part of the story.  But if we could ever scrounge up a pair of proto:48 GP38-2’s, that’d be pretty hot.  (Also, I’d steal them.)

Maybe that G-scale/gauge hopper that used to hold lollipops at shows could be prettied up and put in a case.