T-TRAK: PRR MG Interlocking

[MK]

Petroleum based oil is not plastic safe oil.  Go synthetic.

[chicken45]

I call BS.

LOL

[peteski]

Petroleum based oil is not plastic safe oil.  Go synthetic.

To be honest, I really think that this whole "plastic safe" lubricant thing was made up by the model industry for people to only buy the expensive little bottles of "plastic safe oils for models".  Especially with the current plastics being much better quality than the polystyrene of the old days.

I'm pretty sure that all the ones I have used (Labelle, Woodland Scenics) are all petroleum-based non-synthetic "dino" oils. Plus synthetic oils have chemical composition similar to the "dino" oils - just purer.

I have never heard of anybody using a standard motor oil or a 3-in-1 light oil on models and  have their plastic loco parts melt or oterwise deterierate.  Can anybody point  me to any write-up that would state otherwise.

Josh, you can use any oil (including cooking olive oil).  The whole idea is that any oil repels water, and that is the purpose of using it in the first place.  Heck, you coudl just use some butter or peanut butter - any oily substance.

[DKS]

Fine. Fixed it.

[peteski]

Fine. Fixed it.

LOL

Hey, in today's litigious society (even between friends)  I don't blame you for being overly cautions, but I don't think olive oil will cause any damage to his plastic roadbed.  Many olive oils are packaged in plastic bottles. 

[DKS]

Blue Juice Valve Oil is a light, fast, refined petroleum product that's especially effective on close-tolerance musical instrument valves. What distinguishes Blue Juice valve oil-aside from its distinctive blue coloring-is that it delivers an anti-corrosion agent for extra protection. 2 oz.

and Hetman's: All Hetman Musical Instruments Lubricants offer superior lubricating qualities, are longer-lasting than other lubricants, and are completely compatible with conventional petroleum-based lubricants, thereby avoiding potential gumming problems. The viscosity of each lubricant is carefully formulated for its specific purpose and assures both fast, positive action and vital protection against wear and corrosion.

What, are you their rep? This is like a freakin' infomercial in print.

[peteski]

What, are you their rep? This is like a freakin' infomercial in print.

I know - I had a good chuckle at that one too.
I think Mr. Chicken simply copied/pasted some info from their website.  I'm also really surprised that he doesn't seem to own any "hobby lubricants". You figure that by now he would have some of that "plastic safe" stuff in his arsenal of hobby products.

[Dave V]

What, are you their rep? This is like a freakin' infomercial in print.

Josh relishes any opportunity to discuss lubricants.

[DKS]

Josh relishes any opportunity to discuss lubricants.

[Point353]

I'm pretty sure that all the ones I have used (Labelle, Woodland Scenics) are all petroleum-based non-synthetic "dino" oils.

[chicken45]

What, are you their rep? This is like a freakin' infomercial in print.

That's right. I'm a corporate shill for "Big Rotor Valve Linkage Oil"!

I know - I had a good chuckle at that one too.
I think Mr. Chicken simply copied/pasted some info from their website.  I'm also really surprised that he doesn't seem to own any "hobby lubricants". You figure that by now he would have some of that "plastic safe" stuff in his arsenal of hobby products.

That's exactly what I was thinking.
 I did at one time own a tube of oil and grease from those lifelike kits.

Josh relishes any opportunity to discuss lubricants.

Oh you know it, Daddy.

[peteski]

   

OK, so Labelle is synthetic. I still doubt that a mineral oil will damage plastic.
Here is a good write-up about the difference between mineral (dino) and synthetic oil.
https://www.differencebetween.com/difference-between-mineral-and-vs-synthetic-oil/

[jargonlet]

and Hetman's: All Hetman Musical Instruments Lubricants offer superior lubricating qualities, are longer-lasting than other lubricants, and are completely compatible with conventional petroleum-based lubricants, thereby avoiding potential gumming problems. The viscosity of each lubricant is carefully formulated for its specific purpose and assures both fast, positive action and vital protection against wear and corrosion.

I read this while I was at work today and got thinking about the Hetman line of grease and oils. When I was in the musical instrument repair business, I used to push these as my main line of lubricants. Don't get me wrong blue juice is a great product but Hetman has a large line of products and is a great quality product. I had many customers on many instruments switch to it and quite a few schools.

As to the relevance to this conversation, I got thinking that the Hetman line is a synthetic line. After I got home I checked my old allied repair catalogue. For those not in the repair business, this is one of the major suppliers just about anything you would need. I checked the Hetman section and all but a couple lubes are listed as synthetic. If you are using one of their oils, you should be fine. The ones that weren't listed as synthetic were a couple of the greases and one of them mentions the word synthetic.

Come to think of it, I think I have a decent sized box around here somewhere filled with Hetman products.

[chicken45]

I read this while I was at work today and got thinking about the Hetman line of grease and oils. When I was in the musical instrument repair business, I used to push these as my main line of lubricants. Don't get me wrong blue juice is a great product but Hetman has a large line of products and is a great quality product. I had many customers on many instruments switch to it and quite a few schools.

As to the relevance to this conversation, I got thinking that the Hetman line is a synthetic line. After I got home I checked my old allied repair catalogue. For those not in the repair business, this is one of the major suppliers just about anything you would need. I checked the Hetman section and all but a couple lubes are listed as synthetic. If you are using one of their oils, you should be fine. The ones that weren't listed as synthetic were a couple of the greases and one of them mentions the word synthetic.

Come to think of it, I think I have a decent sized box around here somewhere filled with Hetman products.

I actually use a few different oils because, well, bass trombones like to be complicated.
1. I have Thayer valves (axial flow rotors). The Blue juice goes in to those. Blue juice also doesn't muck up the slide lube (Slide-O-Mix is what I use).
2. I use Hetman 13 on my linkages. I am going to try out their "ball joint" oil.

[DKS]

"ball joint" oil.

<Bevis voice> Heh, heh, he said "ball." </Bevis voice>