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So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« on: September 30, 2019, 01:30:59 AM »
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I can't find them at MBK or the PECO site.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2019, 01:56:56 AM »
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Please note an ELECTROfrog is not a UNIfrog switch. I assume Peco phased out all the Electros for the Unis...

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2019, 02:20:40 AM »
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Please note an ELECTROfrog is not a UNIfrog switch. I assume Peco phased out all the Electros for the Unis...

Clearly  :RUEffinKiddingMe:

Well, another wasted 5 minutes on the PECO site still shows electrofrog in small and large radii and the N Scale Supply site says the mediums are replaced by Unifrogs.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2019, 03:33:39 AM »
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Yep .... it seems that when obsoleting the Electrofrog switches they started with the Medium #6 Code 55s -- the only switches I want -- but haven't replaced any of the other Electros. Great. Another switch with a dead frog or having to set up a toggle to power it for two different directions. Yay. And more expensive to boot!! Another giant step for N scale.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2019, 07:33:01 AM »
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I can't find them at MBK or the PECO site.

Yep .... it seems that when obsoleting the Electrofrog switches they started with the Medium #6 Code 55s -- the only switches I want -- but haven't replaced any of the other Electros.

Search the 'net for "SL-E395F" and/or "SL-E396F".
You'll find them in stock somewhere.
For example:
https://www.nscaledivision.com/peco.htm
https://yankeedabbler.com/scale-n-peco-pco-sl-e395f-n-6-r-h-cd-55-electro-ns/
https://yankeedabbler.com/scale-n-peco-pco-sl-e396f-n-6-l-h-cd-55-electro-ns/

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2019, 01:01:08 PM »
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Depending on whether or not there is any unseen internal wiring in the Unifrog, if the points still route power like the old Electrofrog turnouts, you could just run a jumper wire from each point rail to the frog. If the point rails are hard wired, you couldn’t do this.

I see Tam Valley Frog Juicers in my future, I guess. What the hell... it’s only money.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2019, 01:21:32 PM »
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This is dissapointing.. Self contained powered frogs and self locking points were the only 2 things Peco had over the competition for general track.. (not including Unitrak)..

This is dissapointing..But if they have a power lead for the points and frog and it's a matter of running a wire between the 2, and that saves a price increase.. ...... :|

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #8 on: September 30, 2019, 01:52:33 PM »
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I use Unifrog HOn3 Peco #5s on the RGS and I love 'em.  The frog distance is short enough that most of the time they work well even without powering the frog.  However, I've since wired them all to Tam Valley Frog Juicers and they work fantastically well.  And since I model a very maunal labor-intensive prototype, I appreciate the good old Peco "snap" with the internal spring we all know and love.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2019, 04:03:57 PM »
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Well, anybody who planned on using Electrofrog PECOs better get them now if they can find them. There's a train of change comin' down the tracks, and you won't be able to get out of its way ...
 :| I suppose I can "fix" the PECOs like I "fixed" the Atlas C55 frog blunder. Now I know how the guys who want DCC but no sound feel when they "Have" to buy locos with both as there's no option.  :x
Oh, for you HO guys ... of course the switches work fine -- your huge locos have bigger wheels and more weight.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2019, 06:35:44 PM »
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Well, anybody who planned on using Electrofrog PECOs better get them now if they can find them. There's a train of change comin' down the tracks, and you won't be able to get out of its way ...
 :| I suppose I can "fix" the PECOs like I "fixed" the Atlas C55 frog blunder.
Are you looking for help trying to find stock of the electrofrog medium turnouts, or are you just here to rant?

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2019, 09:24:56 PM »
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I don't see what the problem is with the new Unifrog Peco C55 #6 as opposed to the old Electrofrog #6, and why in the world anybody would prefer the non-DCC friendly (and non-DC friendly) Electrofrog turnout over the decidedly DCC and DC friendly Unifrog #6.

First, in my years of experience both hand-building and using ME #6 C55 turnouts, I am going to give an educated guess that the Peco Unifrog #6 turnouts will work just fine with a dead frog.  I installed and have used one dead-frog Micro Engineering C55 #6 turnout leading to my sandhouse spur at Echo over a decade ago, and both my shortest switchers and Big Boys run through it without any hesitation whatsoever.

Looking at the frog length of the Peco Unifrog #6 turnout, it appears that it's short enough that it also doesn't need to be powered for the turnout to function electrically just fine. 

The advantage to the Unifrog design is that the stock rails adjacent to the switch points and closure rails are the same polarity, making the possibility of shorts nearly non-existent if the switch is aligned properly.  Additionally the two rails leading off the back of the frog (point rails) are wired for the correct polarity so there's no need to cut any gaps or use insulated rail joiners making for much less bother installing the turnout and smoother mechanical stability.

I've hand-built my C70, C55 and C40 N-scale turnouts to be electrically identical (DCC friendly) to the "new" Peco Unifrog turnouts since the early 1980's, using Circuitron Tortoises for power routing/frog polarity when my layouts were DC so that the siding/spur would become live only when the switch was aligned for it, allowing me to park engines on the sidings and not have them take off when running trains in that block with my hand-built DC throttles.

It would appear from a very short Google search that Peco Electrofrog #6's are still readily available if you insist you want to use them instead of the Peco Unifrog #6 turnout.

If you wait until the Electrofrogs are all sold and you're powering your layout with DC, and you want power routing to your sidings and spurs without installing a toggle switch or power-routing switch motor, then Peco Insulfrog turnouts are going to work just fine, even with dead frogs.

If you're using DCC, then the Unitrack #6's are like the ME #6's from a few years ago when they got DCC friendly.

Here are close ups of the tops and bottoms of the Peco #6 Unifrogs for reference's sake:

Photo (1) - Peco C55 Unifrog #6 turnout, TOP:



Photo (2) - Peco C55 Unifrog #6 turnout, BOTTOM:



As far as "fixing" Peco Unifrogs, I don't think they need "fixin'", since they are essentially improved and "fixed" Peco Electrofrogs which have been brought up to the accepted standard of DCC friendliness which Atlas 55, and ME C55 #6's have had for years.

When Peco introduces its Unifrogs in the "small" turnout size, it won't need a live frog either most likely.  However, when Peco introduces its "large" Unifrog turnouts, you'll most likely have to power the frogs for electrical reliability.

In no way is the Unifrog a step backwards as far as Peco turnouts are concerned, and I for one, will not mourn the extinction of the Peco Electrofrog design, which has been problematic for DCC users since the design came on the market...even if I never use one on any layout or module I build for myself.

Cheerio!
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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2019, 02:57:51 AM »
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Not ranting .... just disappointed. It's not like there was some major flaw with the Electrofrogs that finally was fixed --- they took a perfectly good design and changed it to cater to a minority of modelers. Yeah, OK, so the new switch can be left with the frog dead --- so then WTF is the reason to use it instead of the cheaper Insulfrog switch, which has the same dead frog effect?
Yeah, I like DCC, I prefer DCC, but I have not hot-wired any of the frogs on my layout and that has not caused any shorting problems with DCC operation. If you properly insulate the joints between the switch and the connecting track you have no problems operating DCC. Now, do I prefer slipping on a couple of plastic joiners and leaving the live frog be set to the correct polarity automatically when I throw the points,  to wiring up a electrical switch that needs to be manually set every time a locomotive runs through the turnout? YES!!!!
This "changing things just to change them" mentality running amok in our society is just insane.
You guys who like running wires to everything may be overjoyed, but I'm not.  Like I said, now I know how the guys who want DCC locos but not the mandatory sound feel.
For the record. the majority of my turnouts are ME - but for certain track crossing arrangements the pre-made PECO tracks align correctly and are used there.

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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #13 on: October 01, 2019, 03:38:57 AM »
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Sounds like you could use a hobby...

Bum dum tss...

Sorry, I'll show myself out...  :D
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Re: So PECO doesn't make Electrfrogs C55 anymore?
« Reply #14 on: October 01, 2019, 09:47:07 AM »
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I think I will hold on to my electrofrogs until I discover which is the more valuable collector's item- the ones in the cardboard box or the ones in the soft plastic slipcase. "New old stock in original package genuine vintage Peco Electrofrog....RARE!!!"
Tom D.

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