Shapeways Heavyweight Streamlined Roofs

[Lemosteam]

Nother view of the Erie car. These were modernized to be used between Cleveland and Pittsburgh.

Chris, is that some type of hatch or vent on top?  AC unit?

[wazzou]

Coffin?

[thomasjmdavis]

The hatches look a lot like those used with steam ejector AC.  The diagram book http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/pax-d1.html states these have electro-mechanical AC, but my bet would still be that they allow for access to AC or other plumbing.  The spec sheet also notes a "gravity" water system, which would seem to indicate that there might be water tanks hiding up there somewhere,

[Chris333]

Not sure exactly what it is. Same car:


http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-co1010jpa.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/el-c1015aps.jpg

[jmlaboda]

[img src="http://s3.amazonaws.com/rrpa_photos/16718/Erie%201010.jpg"]

Unlike some of the rebuildings it appears that ERIE didn't change the end on the cars they modernized.  You can see the angle in this shot (like some of the others) which makes me wonder if the ends were tapered to match the angle of the end, something that would not necessarily stand out but never the less present.

[thomasjmdavis]

It almost looks like they cut a piece off the top of a streamlined end, and welded it to the heavyweight end above the door.  I did a couple stand ins for these from Riv coaches (cutting out the center window molding), using piece chopped off an old minitrix fluted car (don't we all remember those fondly from the 1970s?) to get the profile for the end of the roof.

  It is really evident on some of the diners-
http://rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie-di939abd.jpg

http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/el/pax/erie-d0940bba.jpg

[Lemosteam]

Chalk up another for the betterment roof. I hope it is done in the black plastic too. MP/T&P and UP all had them as well. I can go for just the roof as I can source the sides and donor cars.

@GhengisKong , this is my horse car roof printed in FUD.  Is the surface not good enough? 600 grit paper then six fast coats of Tamiya TS-6 rattle can (notice no wax weeping) and still perfect after six months.

[nscalbitz]

Beautiful model Lemosteam,

To catch a ride on this thread, here's a view from someone who can't really kitbash and doesn't know enough (or can see enough detail) to know which roof hardware (and other items) to purchase along with the roof itself.

I see your vast details available for upgrading older N scale (Lima etc.) and the MTL. Perhaps an enhancement of this item plus x,y,z would be useful? At least to me 

For the quoted 'Betterment' cars that in 1939? the D&RGW had 5 cars for their new 'Prospector', in all black, I've thought to obtain the now out of production Rapido Osgood-Bradley cars. Suitable stand-ins, noting that a variety of window arrangements are depicted.

thanks
dave
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/ExpoFlyer/DRGW01.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DgyaorcVXX4/UqXd_kujcII/AAAAAAAAEqw/Lml6UFarYfo/s912/IMG_0187.jpg

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[OldEastRR]

For the quoted 'Betterment' cars that in 1939? the D&RGW had 5 cars for their new 'Prospector', in all black, I've thought to obtain the now out of production Rapido Osgood-Bradley cars. Suitable stand-ins, noting that a variety of window arrangements are depicted.
thanks
dave
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/ExpoFlyer/DRGW01.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DgyaorcVXX4/UqXd_kujcII/AAAAAAAAEqw/Lml6UFarYfo/s912/IMG_0187.jpg

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BLW still has some Osgood-Bradley coaches in stock ... no DRGW ones, tho. 

[Lemosteam]

Beautiful model Lemosteam,

To catch a ride on this thread, here's a view from someone who can't really kitbash and doesn't know enough (or can see enough detail) to know which roof hardware (and other items) to purchase along with the roof itself.

I see your vast details available for upgrading older N scale (Lima etc.) and the MTL. Perhaps an enhancement of this item plus x,y,z would be useful? At least to me 

For the quoted 'Betterment' cars that in 1939? the D&RGW had 5 cars for their new 'Prospector', in all black, I've thought to obtain the now out of production Rapido Osgood-Bradley cars. Suitable stand-ins, noting that a variety of window arrangements are depicted.

thanks
dave
http://www.railwayclassics.com/images/ExpoFlyer/DRGW01.jpg

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DgyaorcVXX4/UqXd_kujcII/AAAAAAAAEqw/Lml6UFarYfo/s912/IMG_0187.jpg

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Thank you, but I'm not sure what you are asking for? Your model looks great I think. What would you need to finish it? My knowledge does not go much beyond the PRR.

[CBQ Fan]

Any chance you could design a plug and play modernized roof for the MT sleepers and diners?  Something generic that gives the right feel?

[Lemosteam]

Any chance you could design a plug and play modernized roof for the MT sleepers and diners?  Something generic that gives the right feel?

@CBQ Fan , Sure, just share a picture and i will look into it.  I assume you are looking for the lower smoothside roof cross section (as opposed to a balloon or arch or Harriman) to fit those cars?

This was part of the discussion above- heavyweights do not have flat ends, so I am not sure what to do with the ends of such a roof? 

-Design it flush to the diaphragm mounting surface and let the corners overhang?
-Design it to have a trapezsoidal end to match the end of the car and taper the roof to follow?
-Design a replacement end to go with a flat end roof?

If the ends of the cars were a flat plane, this would be a pieces of cake.

[CBQ Fan]

@CBQ Fan , Sure, just share a picture and i will look into it.  I assume you are looking for the lower smoothside roof cross section (as opposed to a balloon or arch or Harriman) to fit those cars?

This was part of the discussion above- heavyweights do not have flat ends, so I am not sure what to do with the ends of such a roof? 

-Design it flush to the diaphragm mounting surface and let the corners overhang?
-Design it to have a trapezsoidal end to match the end of the car and taper the roof to follow?
-Design a replacement end to go with a flat end roof?

If the ends of the cars were a flat plane, this would be a pieces of cake.

Here is a photo that captured the end.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/cbq4524.jpg

I would design the end to be a flat continuation of the end wall to make it simple.

[Lemosteam]

Are these needed for MT Coaches too, or just the ones you specified? Do you know what the dimension to the top of the roof is? Should I match that to and existing smoothside car?  I have some old atlas smoothside cars.

[Cajonpassfan]

@CBQ Fan , Sure, just share a picture and i will look into it.  I assume you are looking for the lower smoothside roof cross section (as opposed to a balloon or arch or Harriman) to fit those cars?
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I don't know what the OP intended, but would think that a modernized heavyweight (balloon, arch, Harriman of standard) would keep its structure and still be about 6" taller than newer lightweight cars. A lot of new sheet metal over old ribs. Am I missing something?
Otto K.