test your Santa-Fe knowledge... or mine.

[victor miranda]

I was looking for a bargain out on the famous auction site.

I found this and I took a screen clip

I am thinking a warbonnet should be out front...
then I thought geez I can't say it is wrong cause I don't know...
a blue bonnet seems right for that lettering.

[eric220]

Well, I'd say it's horribly wrong, given that it appears to be on a K4.   

[SandyEggoJake]

And don't forget the majority of the Santa Fe in the classic and transition era was running off oil, not coal!

[Cajonpassfan]

Lol Victor, I can't even begin to count the ways in which this is wrong.
But, Santa Fe did buy some coal fired Pennsy L1 mikados with similar tenders to help with wartime shortages...
The lettering, well that's beyond fantasy
Otto K.

[victor miranda]

Cajonpassfan,

when I saw that tender I did a triple take.

whaaa...?

and then I started chuckling.
I had to share it.

victor

[Nato]

         That is kind of like the controversy that Walthers caused in the mid 1970's if I remember. They offered a Penn Central Steam Locomotive and Pen Central steam locomotive decals.Nate Goodman (Nato).

[thomasjmdavis]

If I did not own so many green ATSF stock cars, I would poke fun at this.  And it wasn't that many years ago that a portion of my passenger fleet had a red stripe down the window band.

[superchief]

there are so many:

green stock cars
two tone blue passenger cars to match the blue goose
Warbonnet paint on u-50 and gas turbines
a second # on the blue goose(there was only one)
silver passenger cars with red/yellow stripe

these are just a few, looks like they took a rubber stamp off of an 70/80's diesel and just stamped the steamer with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but hey here you do not have to argue if it should be white OR silver!!!!!! HAHA........Gordon

[Nato]

        All the Santa Fe versions of the Trix K4 tha I have ever seen had a more correct large white tender number and A.T.S.F. on the cab sides.   Nate Goodman (Nato).

[randgust]

there are so many:

silver passenger cars with red/yellow stripe

these are just a few, looks like they took a rubber stamp off of an 70/80's diesel and just stamped the steamer with it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
but hey here you do not have to argue if it should be white OR silver!!!!!! HAHA........Gordon

That one, at least, has some semblance of reality - the 1939 "Valley Flyer" with the semi-streamlined 1300-class 4-6-2's had a train of modernized heavyweights that were all silver with the bottom red and black striping, not unlike an F-unit B booster:

http://www.trainman.net/valley_flyer_history.html

That's kind of the foobie that's real.   And I've always been kinda partial to it as well, did my very first Tyco 4-6-2 in HO in that scheme with the side panels and everything.   Yeah, I've seen Con-Cor do smooth-side streamline cars in that scheme, that's just wrong.

This isn't THAT far off for an N model:
http://www.trainweb.org/fredatsf/flyer39.htm

As far as for the Cooper Black "Santa Fe", that was done as a SANTA FE on the tenders, just not that font, and always with the number
http://www.steamlocomotive.com/berkshire/atsf4103.jpg

Several classes did that, but the standard scheme was just the big number on the tender.   I won't get into the white vs. silver debate, it's right up there with how much green you put into a tank car of black to make Brunswick Green for the SPF's.

As far as for fantasy, the Lionel red and silver warbonnet tank cars and hopper cars have my vote.   You may as well paint a Saturn V rocket in warbonnet, too.    I've always been surprised the didn't do an Aerotrain when those weren't selling fast enough.

Santa Fe is always entertaining because you can absolutely state, with all certainty, "They always did it this way, except for that one time _____________________"

[victor miranda]

...
well...
I wondered about that passenger car scheme. 

I have a memory of a song and dance movie with cars pained like it.
I figured it was a 'set' or background.

now if I can remember the movie....

victor

[strummer]

...probably "The Harvey Girls"....?

Mark in Oregon

[superchief]

sorry Randy, you are correct, I was referring to the smooth side Con Cor cars. The 8 cars for the Valley flyer were ALL heavyweight and after the fair they spent the next year on the San Diegan line until repainted engines and cars. Gordon

[randgust]

A long time ago I learned to stay away from absolutes with ATSF.   I'm always astounded at the level of field experimentation that went on, and the 'one-offs', and about the time you think you've seen it all, something else surfaces.

Those PRR L1's painted up in ATSF are a great example.    Darn few photos or references on those, but they existed.    The N&W Y-class 2-8-8-2's on Raton got a lot more press.   But there's still all kinds of weird stuff to win arguments with - The Maersk repaint GP60's look rather unbelievable.   And they came so close on a couple others, like a fully-streamlined 4-8-4.    And this months ATSF historical society mag had a feature on that screwball articulated high-speed container freight train set that was built half-size for testing, never got off the ground, but looks just like one of those Japanese shovel-nose passenger trains.   And they did own a fleet of airplanes for freight forwarding.  I don't think they ever went 'big time' into oddball concepts like some others, but they sure weren't afraid to experiment either.

I thought the Intermountain green and white "Christmas caboose" was a real foobie until I got the Priest ATSF caboose book.  Seriously?  They did that???
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/distrib/ccs/html/ccs6090.htm
Damn, wrong again!

Edit:  Good airplane shot, DC-4, not DC-3, and here's a shot of one in a 'modified' warbonnet:  http://www.calclassic.com/Images/dc4sfs.jpg

[davefoxx]

I thought the Intermountain green and white "Christmas caboose" was a real foobie until I got the Priest ATSF caboose book.  Seriously?  They did that???
http://www.intermountain-railway.com/distrib/ccs/html/ccs6090.htm
Damn, wrong again!

Ed's Law.