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Ed Kapuscinski

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Last night, I decided it was time to try the DCC install in my MTL SW1500s again. I had a roll of kapton tape on loan from our own @chicken45 , fresh new decoders, and an evening of time that I was "watching for signs of water" in the basement.

So, I started the process: tear the engine down then line the insides of the motor cradle area with tape.
I reassembled it, put the multi-meter on it and there's still a short from the motor to the frame somewhere.

Ok, tear it down again. Look around, oh, maybe it's touching in the ends, so I put a little tape there now. Looking good now.

Feels good to go.

Slide the decoder in (it takes some delicate, but forceful work because there's too much solder on the pads).

Put the shell back on (because of that f$*king obnoxious pickup design that prevents you from testing it without the shell), put it on the track, and try it on 03.

Nothing.

Alright...

Put it on the programming track. Read everything in.

Decoder pro can't find the decoder.

WTF?

Press down a little on the shell... now it starts reading.

Change the address. Write the changes. Drop it on the track.

Dial up 9594 with my throttle and... nothing. No motor. No headlight. No nothing.

Try pressing down again. Still nothing.

Back on the programming track.

Read everything back... still set to 03.

Write everything again, holding it down.

I think it worked this time!

Put it on the track. Flick on the headlights, and... headlights!!

Cool. Try giving it some throttle, and... nothing. Nothing.

Pull it apart, use the multi-meter, try to make sure we've got electric contact from the decoder to the contacts. Yep. But I notice it looks like the piece of insulated tape that was wrapped around the motor was wearing through. Odd.

So I pull it even further apart, wrap the motor contacts in kapton tape, replacing the OEM stuff. Reassemble and try again.

Same results: headlights, no movement.

W.T.F.

So I put the original light board back in. Works fine.

Is it the decoder? I really hope not, because I've already returned it once, and I don't think I'll be getting a second go at it.

I've got another I'm going to try today to rule it out.

Why is this so obnoxiously frustrating? It's ridiculous. I have never been this mad at a locomotive that I wanted so damned badly. If I didn't give a *****, these things would be languishing in a box somewhere, or off to Timonium white elephant table, but I continue to persevere.

But if the tide doesn't turn shortly, I think I'm going to go buy some golf clubs.





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You have my sympathy.  I am trying to add ditchlights and a separate headlight on a NCE decoder and the documentation is the pits.   Worse, it has errors.

I've released the smoke several times today.  I'm going to go mow the lawn for some relaxation.

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Ed,
with the decoder installed with the shell off (and after making sure that there are no shorts between the frames and motor leads) touch a fresh 9V battery to the frame halves to see if the motor runs. 9V battery is perfect for this type of testing - almost as if it was made for N scale trains.  :)  If the analog mode bit is set in CV29 (it is by default) then the motor should run.  If the last time the decoder was under DCC control the headlights were left on, they headlights will also run.

As for other testing you really need couple of test leads with small alligator clips.  I would leave the decoder out of the frame (just with the motor leads plugged in if that is possible) then clip the test leads to the track power pads of the decoder with the other ends clipped to DCC track.  Then you can test the decoder without it being installed in the frame and without the shell installed.

I really wish I had a reason to buy one of these so I could see if there is a less-frustrating way to install the decoder.
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I really wish I had a reason to buy one of these so I could see if there is a less-frustrating way to install the decoder.

Pete, you need to talk Ernie into doing this engine. Make a good switcher for the mill.  :D

Jon



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Pete, you need to talk Ernie into doing this engine. Make a good switcher for the mill.  :D

Jon



Hmm... I'll give it a try.  :D
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Pete, you need to talk Ernie into doing this engine. Make a good switcher for the mill.  :D

Jon




That would be an SW1200  :D
The Railwire is not your personal army.  :trollface:

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You guys are killin' me!    :P I already emaile Ernie (even though I did have a double-take looking at that photo).  I should have known better!  :facepalm:  I have several Life Like SW1200s but those aren't the same as these troublesome beasts.
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SO, in the interest of full disclosure - anyone try this yet with the TCS decoder?  Same story , different board? And for that matter, since these are all the "old" LL Sw1200 frame and motor combo, is there anything in that mech's history that might stop all this madness?
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You guys are killin' me!    :P I already emaile Ernie (even though I did have a double-take looking at that photo).  I should have known better!  :facepalm:  I have several Life Like SW1200s but those aren't the same as these troublesome beasts.

MRL had SW1500's Just not that particular one :)
http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=1745456
The Railwire is not your personal army.  :trollface:

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Golf really isn't that difficult.  I can give you a few pointers, and I know a guy that can help with the rest.  Got me hitting straight in two lessons.  :D :D

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Golf really isn't that difficult.  I can give you a few pointers, and I know a guy that can help with the rest.  Got me hitting straight in two lessons.  :D :D

I could always use a few hints on my golf game.

Ed, taking up golf won't help.  You'll just end up more intoxicated then when you are weathering.   :facepalm:
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What's it like debugging computers before you can run your trains you guys?

:D

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What's it like debugging computers before you can run your trains you guys?

:D

Doug

Meh!  This is clearly a hardware problem!  :D
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Worse, it's a hardware + software problem: the worst kind!

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I had the same issue with three different decoders (Digitrax), for 8-40Bs.  Headlights and nothing else.  Drove me nuts, and they were "drop in." 

Ended up that Mr. Eastman checked them out for me on a visit, and deemed them shot.  All three, brand new out of the box.  Worst part, I bought them a year ago, and had long lost the receipt.  I'm out the warranty....
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