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kornellred

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Re: UP Arrowedge technology
« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2013, 01:22:33 PM »
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How in heck did Union Pacific get a patent on a basic geometric shape that reduces aerodynamic drag?  There must be something else about the object that entitles it to be called "technology".

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Re: UP Arrowedge technology
« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2013, 01:44:14 PM »
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You can pretty much patent anything. My sister is a patent litigator (in-court stuff, not just a high-falutin' patent clerk), and she frequently rolls her eyes at the stuff the PTO "certifies". This nonsense pays her rent, that's for sure. The old joke about Microsoft trying to patent ones and zeros isn't all that far off the mark.

When I looked at Bob's link, my reaction was "Oh, really? That's not going to do much." I was at NASA 40 years ago when they were testing aero on trucks. The biggest drag component was turbulence around the box and the gaps between the boxes. Solution? Round-off the corners, and a mere 6" radius did wonders.

So if UP wants to get meaningful gains, they need to design a nosecone system that fits over the ends of the boxes. Of course, the cost of applying/removing said nosecones exceeds the savings. For that matter, the extra handling cost and loss of capacity of putting the wedge on the front car definitely will not be made up in fuel savings. If they ran numbers on this thing and there was ROI, there must have been a lot of SWAG assumptions - we're talking 0.1% improvements, so small that a single made-up number can tweak results.
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Re: UP Arrowedge technology
« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2013, 08:39:26 AM »
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When you figure that UP probably spends a billion or two on fuel,  it could be that even a tiny savings is a huge hunk of change....  ???

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Re: UP Arrowedge technology
« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2013, 03:49:51 PM »
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It's a good idea but what bothered me more is the huge space between containers on some type of cars , it's sometimes 3/4 of a lenght of a container .
What will they do if there is a void of containers in a long train , will they put another "arrowedge" in the train further down ?
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Re: UP Arrowedge technology
« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2013, 08:37:59 PM »
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So, will this be followed by a return to the F unit and A-B-B-A consists... those boxy EMD's and GE's can't be all that aerodynamic. Maybe some sort of teardrop shaped carbody?