AC4400CW vs. c44-9w

[tom mann]

Is there any external difference?  I have a Kato Ho scale c44-9w that I would like to paint to match an AC4400CW, would I be way off base if I did so?

[James Costello]

Is there any external difference?  I have a Kato Ho scale c44-9w that I would like to paint to match an AC4400CW, would I be way off base if I did so?

Yeah, but SP still had the C44-9W's and they ran on the Golden State Route.....

[asciibaron]

Is there any external difference?  I have a Kato Ho scale c44-9w that I would like to paint to match an AC4400CW, would I be way off base if I did so?

they are the same locomotive externally.

-Steve

[shamoo737]

Thom, there is a visual difference between a C44-9W and a AC4400CW. The AC4400 has a bigger cabinet for inverters. Note that CSX AC power engines have a lightning bolt.
http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=64883

http://www.locophotos.com/PhotoDetails.php?PhotoID=37929

[Bob Bufkin]

I noticed that the trucks are different on the 2 photos.

[shamoo737]

Bob, its a option. The CSX has steerable trucks.

[ednadolski]

Is there any external difference?  I have a Kato Ho scale c44-9w that I would like to paint to match an AC4400CW, would I be way off base if I did so?

Other than the inverter cabinet, it depends on how accurate you want.   There are a number of variations in the side panels, grilles, fuel tank, hi/low ditch lights, and trucks not only between the C44-9W and AC4400CW, but also between the production phases of each.  There are of course also variations by roadname.

Is yours the older Kato C44-9W?  The older Kato represents an early Dash-9 (CNW & ATSF prototypes) with the low ditch lights and earlier trucks.

Is this for SP?   IIRC the paint schemes for SP Dash-9 and AC44 were pretty close.  (Note the spacings on the "SP" on the front of the cab.)

(BTW, if you're re-painting, consider the A-Line see-thru steps -- they are easy to add and really improve the look    )

[nscalesteve]

they are the same locomotive externally.

yeah right - and I shop at wig-wag... !

[asciibaron]

they are the same locomotive externally.

yeah right - and I shop at wig-wag... !

 ;D

-Steve

[cv_acr]

Is there any external difference?  I have a Kato Ho scale c44-9w that I would like to paint to match an AC4400CW, would I be way off base if I did so?

they are the same locomotive externally.

-Steve

No, they're definately not.

See the pics in ednadolski's post above.

The 8165 and 8183 are C44-9Ws while the 124 and 154 are AC4400CWs.
The most notable difference is the large inverter cabinet behind the cab on the conductor's side on the AC4400CW, while the "-9" just has a much smaller air conditioner unit. Note also that the air intakes along the top of the carbody behind the cab (on both sides) are different between the two models.

[asciibaron]

No, they're definately not.

See the pics in ednadolski's post above.

guess i should have added a bunch of these  ;D ;D ;D ;D

i helped bring these to market when i was at MTH - i know the differences, i was told by a superior that they were the same externally, regardless of the various external differences...  thank god we were able to convince them to do multi part tooling with swappable slides...  saved a ton and added another loco for the catalog at a crazy cheap price.  of course the superior took the credit.


-Steve

[asciibaron]

The 8165 and 8183 are C44-9Ws while the 124 and 154 are AC4400CWs.
The most notable difference is the large inverter cabinet behind the cab on the conductor's side on the AC4400CW, while the "-9" just has a much smaller air conditioner unit. Note also that the air intakes along the top of the carbody behind the cab (on both sides) are different between the two models.

the rear panel door size and configuration on the engineer's side are different and some are different on different phases.  i spent way too much time on this about a decade ago.  i dislike GE locos.  not that the EMD's are not without phase issues.

-Steve

[Robbman]

the rear panel door size and configuration on the engineer's side are different and some are different on different phases.  i spent way too much time on this about a decade ago.  i dislike GE locos.  not that the EMD's are not without phase issues.

-Steve

GE is Six Sigma for every model different 

Wait till you get to GEVO phases...