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What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« on: January 12, 2025, 12:52:24 PM »
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While conversing with @DeltaBravo I discovered that MTL makes archbar trucks with long extensions.

https://micro-trains.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=426

I'm having a hard time imagining an application for them, but clearly there is enough to justify tooling them.

What is it??

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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2025, 03:23:33 PM »
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Turn of the century 86 foot boxcars  ;)

I don't think there is an application. Suspect this dates back to when for the sake of completion, Kadee/Micro Trains made all their couplers with all 3 extensions. (Edit: I stand corrected on this assertion see @brokemoto 's post below)

I could be wrong tho, @JoeD is there any surviving history or lore on these?

I suspected an early circus flat, but they had bolsters close to the ends. I can't even think of a passenger car these would work on.
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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2025, 03:49:14 PM »
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While conversing with @DeltaBravo I discovered that MTL makes archbar trucks with long extensions.

https://micro-trains.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=426

I'm having a hard time imagining an application for them, but clearly there is enough to justify tooling them.

What is it??

Go to a swap and look through the pre-owned cars, I'm sure someone has "upgraded" one of them with these trucks  :facepalm:

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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2025, 05:19:45 PM »
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People do use them for model interurban trolley freight trailers, which had curved ends and radial-mounted couplers.

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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2025, 10:58:58 PM »
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Suspect this dates back to when for the sake of completion, Kadee/Micro Trains made all their couplers with all 3 extensions.

MT does not sell a medium extension arch bar.  Sad, as I have had uses for one.

I had intended to use one on this:




This is a B-mann (other manufacturers/importers might have offered one similar, as well) boom tender which in another version of my non-historic railroad, I had intended to use as both a MOW and back-up caboose.  Given that the non-historic is a short line and it is a MOW car, primarily, arch bars would be fitting.  If I intended to use it as a caboose, it would need an end platform and railing, so I added one.  This meant that I could not use a B-mann archbar truck with mounted coupler.  On the other end, I could or could use the MT archbar with short extension.

It would need a stove to keep the crew warm, so I added a smoke jack.  The brake wheel was missing when I bought it, at a bargain basement price, so I replaced it.  The hand railing was fine for my standards at the time but now, it is slightly clunky.  Still, I am not going to change it.
















As these two demonstrate, the MT truck mount would  have extended only a few millimeters more than the body mount that I did end up using.




I did file down the bolsters as it does appear to be on stilts in its original condition.  I would have had to hollow out the MT pivot hole to fit the B-mann bolster pole.  I found myself somewhat unwilling to do that.  As a result, I went back to the B-mann archbars and did a body mounted MT on the end with the railing.  On the other end, I simply swapped out the Rapido for a UniMate
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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2025, 02:05:16 AM »
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The NP once had 60 foot, wood frame, truss rod boxcars, that might have needed these.  I don't have a picture of one of them, so don't know where the trucks were placed.
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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2025, 12:02:39 PM »
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People do use them for model interurban trolley freight trailers, which had curved ends and radial-mounted couplers.

Rich K.

Yup.  ALmost finished Western Railcraft Express car with a couple of trailers from Interurban Models.  The trailers are proto for many Interurbans, but I believe these were based Cincinnati and Lake Erie trailers.   C&LE pulled these cars into downtown freight houses over street car tracks.  For a while in the 1930's C&LE offered overnight package delivery between Cincinnati, Dayton, Columbus and Cleveland. 


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Re: What car uses the long extension archbar trucks?
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2025, 05:16:03 PM »
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Yes, they went around 50 foot radius curves with those interurban freight trains in Springfield and Lima. That would be 3.75 inch radius in N scale!

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