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tehachapifan

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #60 on: February 13, 2025, 12:52:38 AM »
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Thanks, Ron! :D

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #61 on: February 13, 2025, 02:26:46 AM »
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I wonder if they picked up on the subtle difference on both sides of the 34951, with the placement of the narrow white stripe below the blue band. I'm guessing probably not.
I'll have to admit, I didn't pick up on that either. Now that I see it, wow! What happened there?

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2025, 02:53:33 AM »
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I'll have to admit, I didn't pick up on that either. Now that I see it, wow! What happened there?

Not entirely sure. I think what may have happened was they extended the blue to the bottom of the raised seam on that side when it typically stops at the top of the raised seam. The white stripe may actually be in the correct spot.

This would be hard to really ever notice, but I'm a bit of a psycho when it comes to researching a project. ;)

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #63 on: February 17, 2025, 11:00:07 PM »
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Has anyone got a set and compared the Kato Amtrak Deep Blue to the Athearn Deep Blue on the F59PHI?

My Surfliner set arrived today! Here's the comparison between the new Kato set and the 2nd-release Athearn Amtrak West F59PHI:

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Kato's blue looks to be a little darker than @OrangeAnon's Surfliners, but still not as dark as the more Navy-Blueish Athearn paint. Is it a mismatch? Yep. Is it extremely obvious and a dealbreaker? Nah. I'm sure a real good, very subtle weathering job can melt any differences between the two paints.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #64 on: February 17, 2025, 11:42:56 PM »
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Blow molded plastic instead of gray foam nest/case?   :?

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #65 on: February 18, 2025, 12:17:36 AM »
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Blow molded plastic instead of gray foam nest/case?   :?

That's an interesting change. Might be less expensive to vacu-form thin plastic sheets than die-cut EVA foam sheet.  Also hard to tell from the photo if the set came in a standard Kato bookcase or another type of outer packaging.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #66 on: February 18, 2025, 01:19:44 AM »
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That's an interesting change. Might be less expensive to vacu-form thin plastic sheets than die-cut EVA foam sheet.  Also hard to tell from the photo if the set came in a standard Kato bookcase or another type of outer packaging.

This is my first Kato bookcase set, so I have no other means of comparison. But FWIW, the Surfliner bookcase measures 31.5cm or a little less than 12 1/2" long.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #67 on: February 18, 2025, 02:41:54 AM »
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This is really strange. I think I've seen pics that show these in foam inserts. :?
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #68 on: February 18, 2025, 02:57:19 AM »
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This is really strange. I think I've seen pics that show these in foam inserts. :?

I was at the World's Greatest Hobby Show in Costa Mesa, CA this weekend and Kato had a bookcase package on display. Also plastic inserts.

A fellow N scaler I follow on Instagram (@novanscaler) posted pics of his new Kato Surfliners - plastic inserts too.

Perhaps you were thinking of OrangeAnon's pic of his Surfliner cars in this post? If so, those were not Kato Surfliners in foam inserts, but Surfliners he made from Baldylox 3D prints.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #69 on: February 18, 2025, 05:36:33 AM »
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I finally took my Surfliners around my layout. I want to put an ESU 58741 into the SC44 Charger loco, so that's going to have to stay in the case for a while. Fortunately I have an Athearn F59PHI ready to go with ESU Loksound, so that's been doing pulling (and pushing) duties.

I had some problem on downgrades in push mode - for some reason the Athearn F59 and the first car would uncouple, causing the rest of the train to roll down the grade at Shinkansen speeds. Ugh, not good. I inspected the coupler height and the F59PHI's coupler looked to be lightly higher than the Kato (the MTL coupler gauge confirmed it), but the difference in height isn't too extreme. I ended up swapping the stock Athearn coupler with an MTL 1015 and lo and behold, it grabbed onto the Kato coupler much better, problem solved.

There's a single-page instruction sheet included, but it only covers the consist order of the cars, the installation of the trip pins and the interior lighting (Kato doesn't even list the part number required (11-211)). But that's about it. 

The cars look NICE. Of the 7 cars in the box set, in actuality, 5 of them are actual Surfliner cars - one is obviously a Superliner car, in Phase V striping, but the other is a Superliner in matching Surfliner paint (sans the "Surfliner" name). The actual Surfliner cars are easier to spot due to the fluting on their roofs (which Kato did real nicely). The Superliners have smooth roofs.

I would say that the MVP in the set is the cab car.

Here's the most awesome thing about the Kato Surfliner set - when run on standard DC power, the headlights and marker lights behave prototypically, direction-wise: Loco-forward, the Charger's head/ditch lights light up, and the cab car's red marker lights are lit (as well as the number boards, lit in warm white). Reverse direction, and  the cab headlights light up (warm white) and the loco flips to red marker lights. WOW! Apparently, the lighting board on the Charger has separate SMD LEDs on the top and bottom, one lighting up the marker lights the other illuminating the red marker light pipe.

If you run DCC, the loco is self-explanatory. But the cab car will look like this, regardless of direction:

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You'll need Kato's FL-12 function decoder (the instructions that come with it are all in Japanese though - there's some YouTube videos that cover the proper install of an FL-12), which pops into a compartment underneath the cab car like this:

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You push it down while you slide it forward towards the cab end until it stops (I used a tweezer to slide it in):

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Now finally the cab car's lighting will function directionally. Just MU its address to the loco's (so far I've kept the default address to 03, but the cab car has a 4-digit road number so just program the address accordingly) and you're ready to roll.

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Although, the headlights are static (aside from F0 on/off). Curiosity got the best of me, so I dissected the cab car:

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Just as I thought; a single LED illuminating the head/ditchlights and a single LED lighting the marker lights. Like the SC-44 Charger's lighting board, there's separate top/bottom LEDs that light up different light pipes according to type.

A full view of the lighting board:

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And now for the Bad News: Unfortunately it looks like there's no provision for alternating ditch lights; the FL-12 decoder doesn't seem to have additional function outputs even if you can hack the lighting board to wire in additional LEDs. So it seems the only way to go about having flashing ditch lights in the cab car is to have a DCC manufacturer hopefully come out with their version of the FL-12 with additional function outputs or some sort of 3rd-party lighting board/decoder combo for this thing.  :(

 
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #70 on: February 18, 2025, 08:24:48 AM »
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Since this set is geared  towards American modelers it is surprising that the enclosed manual is only in Japanese.

As for the ditch lights, they (and the headlight) all appear to be illuminated through a single "light pipe".  The pipe would have to be cut into separate pieces (each ditch light and the headlight too) in order to isolate each ditch from  the others.

Then probably install  light-blocks between the separated pipes and install individual SMD LEDs at the ends of the light pipes, then use wired in effects only decoder (like ESU LokPilotFX). The way the light pipes are arranged this does not appear to be a difficult conversion.

Kato is still not on-board with advanced DCC (we have discussed this in other threads), and they will likely not get better anytime soon since in Japan DCC is not a big thing.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #71 on: February 18, 2025, 12:53:44 PM »
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This is really strange. I think I've seen pics that show these in foam inserts. :?

The Surfliner starter set comes with the more common grey foam.

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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #72 on: February 18, 2025, 01:53:50 PM »
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The Surfliner starter set comes with the more common grey foam.

Paul Z.

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Thanks! Thought I was losing it!

Update: My Sufliner set arrived today after much anticipation and this is what the mailman handed me at the door :scared: ....





He didn't make mention that another package had leaked all over inside his truck until he handed it off to me. :(

He said it was some kind of soap but couldn't give specifics.

It smells like soap, but it must be super-concentrated as the smell is thru the roof and my hands kind of started burning a bit (lovely!).

I caught up with the mailman again to inquire more and to tell him about my hands and he said his were burning (and shriveled) too.

I asked him what my options are for a claim and he wasn't super helpful, but he said he will be entering a note in the system.

After washing and gloving up, I used a hot tub test strip on the packaging, and it came up with max PH and alkalinity for the strip (not that it tells me too much, but seems to be consistent with soap).

I (carefully) removed the models from their cases and they somehow seem to be OK with no obvious signs of moisture exposure on them.

The bookcase with the foam did get a little wet and the 4-unit starter set box was, well, destroyed (as in picture).

Now I need to figure out what to do next. At a minimum, the model packaging needs to be replaced.











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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #73 on: February 18, 2025, 05:29:05 PM »
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Holy Moly Batman!  What a major disappointment and disaster!

I wouldn't even touch the cars or clean them up.  Contact the seller and get a replacement and let him/seller chase USPS for an insurance claim.  Quite obvious USPS screwed up.

You have no idea if the liquid touched the cars and dried up or perhaps the fumes did some latent damage.  Sometime in the future the paint starts to flake and then it's too late and you're stuck with it.
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Re: Kato Pacific Surfliners
« Reply #74 on: February 18, 2025, 05:41:18 PM »
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Holy Moly Batman!  What a major disappointment and disaster!

I wouldn't even touch the cars or clean them up.  Contact the seller and get a replacement and let him/seller chase USPS for an insurance claim.  Quite obvious USPS screwed up.

You have no idea if the liquid touched the cars and dried up or perhaps the fumes did some latent damage.  Sometime in the future the paint starts to flake and then it's too late and you're stuck with it.

Yeah, that's what I'm thinking and my supplier says I can file a claim with the post office myself or send it back to them for replacement. I'm leaning towards the latter as I doubt the post office will cover my full cost.