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What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« on: August 15, 2023, 10:53:17 AM »
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I've been working with @DeltaBravo on his layout plan and we were talking about ways to better utilize his staging deck.

He's modeling the east end of the WM, and so the east end staging yard represented Baltimore and Port Covington.

We were talking about how the current plan works ok, but there's much more that could be done to get better use out of the space.

Now, y'all know how I care about "recreating reality", but in this case, we got started thinking about how to use the space to both serve a practical need (more on-layout storage of inactive cars) and an operational one "wouldn't it be nice of those eastbound coal and grain trains 'did something' at the end of their run?".

So that got us thinking about how to recreate that experience without being overly concerned about prototype track arrangements or even appearance.

And with that, I came up with this fever dream.

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Traffic enters from the layout at left. The normal looking yard at the bottom is for fully staged trains, but it's the blue and green track that's interesting.

The blue tracks represent the "dead train storage": where stuff like anachronistic Amtrak or other "I want to run it but don't feel like putting it away" stuff can hide. They're dead end tracks that wrap around a curve and just end where they run out of room around the bend.

The yellow tracks represent the "put your train away" aspect: where a train that made its run around the layout pulls in, then gets split up and spotted on those yellow yard tracks on the left (only a few of which will likely actually be built) that represent the leads to the dumpers and elevators.

The green tracks are stuff that's used for both uses: the lead for the one use provides a runaround at the other (so the power can grab the caboose).

It's a bit unorthodox, but I kinda like it!

What do you guys think?

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #1 on: August 15, 2023, 11:03:06 AM »
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If that green crossing was a double slip switch, you could add another track in the center yard  ;)

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #2 on: August 15, 2023, 11:20:25 AM »
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If that green crossing was a double slip switch, you could add another track in the center yard  ;)

I know, but I think he'd kill me, lol

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #3 on: August 15, 2023, 12:26:09 PM »
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For the Blue

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #4 on: August 15, 2023, 12:58:37 PM »
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For the Blue

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Oh *****, I need to keep that in mind for my OWN layout! Damn!

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2023, 02:03:48 PM »
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Damn, that cassette design just inspired me as a possible solution for a loads in empties out situation I am planning for my next layout expansion into an adjoining 6' x 10' room.  It may be easier to swap out a cassette or two than keep removing resin gravel loads from 20 ortner hoppers in my TILCON gravel transload scene.    8)

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #6 on: August 15, 2023, 02:19:22 PM »
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Oh yeah! Although, I think the trick of putting a magnet in them can make it pretty damn easy.

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #7 on: August 15, 2023, 02:47:03 PM »
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In N scale that cassette is just fraught with potential error states.

 :trollface: :trollface:

If one is truly only storing the pre built trains, then you could use a hollow barrel underneath with swingink long tracks inside that would align with inbound and outbound tracks at each end that would close off when the barrel is rotated from track to track using an indexer or stepper motor. The bulk of the Barrell could be mounted below deck with only a portion above deck.

Lol.

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2023, 03:14:54 PM »
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That's a LOT of turnouts, man...!

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2023, 04:19:13 PM »
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That's a LOT of turnouts, man...!

They're free to draw... lol. Yeah, I figure he might scale it back a bit, but the goal was to show what was possible.

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #10 on: August 15, 2023, 04:26:06 PM »
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Those two videos, the first one is Tony Wright. He's a very well regarded modeler and magazine columnist for those who don't recignize his name. Think Tony Koester but British. If that's the system he's chosen it implies that its not entirely a crackpot idea. Adapting cassettes to American N would have some challenges, but is entirely doable.

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #11 on: August 15, 2023, 05:00:26 PM »
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The other alternative is to keep those cars in post office boxes .. number each one with a unique train ID, then just stack them by the layout .. you still have to rail them, but its simple .. for the East Sub, that might work .

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2023, 07:12:37 PM »
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Was scared and excited at same time.  Thought it was mine 😆

Those cassettes are pretty cool idea for something like that. 

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #13 on: August 16, 2023, 12:17:41 AM »
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@Ed Kapuscinski

According to Tony Keoster's model railway theoretical design laws, it is impossible to design staging in a way that satisfies whatever your goal is as it is physically impossible to know how much staging you require in advance.

2n + 1 = N

n is number of staging track s thought you needed
N is the number you actually need

Schrodinger's staging yard?

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Re: What have I done??? Designing for a friend...
« Reply #14 on: August 16, 2023, 12:36:46 AM »
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In seriousness, I'm looking at my own needs / wants in staging yards now that I'm in the planning stages of a layout. I want to be able to stage 8 CN and 6 CP trains at either end, plus extras. I figure I can at best build a yard that is 15 stub ended tracks at both staging yards at roughly 13' to 14' in length. Also the possibility exists of adding a return loop to allow trains to turn and reverse into staging when repositioning everything. There are areas on the approach to staging (both accessed via a helix in the current plan) where I can cram additional tracks of varying length where operators would have to double or triple into and out of staging... a similar little value added piece of operating joy that actual railroaders face on the daily.

In that spirit you may want to look to doubling all types of freight trains as a bit of added realism, not just for the unit trains. It's a fairly common occurrence in the 1:1.